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  • Purina ultium versus renew gold
  • Renew gold vs total equine

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    09-05-2013, 12:34 AM
  #11
Trained
I have never seen that label. Interesting that they give you a choice of 30lb bags vs 50 of something. They don't here. Anyway, I was only chiming in b/c I bought purina strategy (high fat) on a buy 3 get 1 or something deal. I had never fed it before. As far as snubbing it? My horses act like it is the best stuff since sliced bread and my dog has even taken to trying to steal it! No telling what they laced it with.
I like the seed vs oil only b/c it is so much more simple...for me, anyway.
     
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    09-05-2013, 08:19 AM
  #12
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Originally Posted by Missy May    
I have never seen that label. Interesting that they give you a choice of 30lb bags vs 50 of something. They don't here. Anyway, I was only chiming in b/c I bought purina strategy (high fat) on a buy 3 get 1 or something deal. I had never fed it before. As far as snubbing it? My horses act like it is the best stuff since sliced bread and my dog has even taken to trying to steal it! No telling what they laced it with.
I like the seed vs oil only b/c it is so much more simple...for me, anyway.
They sell the Amplify in 30lb bucket or 50lb bag. Doesn't make sense to me either because the tub is waaaaay more expensive than just buying the bag. However, it is supposed to be used as a topper, unlike with my horse....so many people probably don't go through it like me either.

I feed Purina Ultium, which already comes with some Amplify in it. I add the Amplify and Omega Horseshine. The feed store has a program with Purina where when you buy 10 bags of whatever, the eleventh is free. I also have coupons, from the vet, for $10 off second bag of Ultium to last until the end of the year. I'm surprised I haven't received any coupons from Purina for all the feed I buy from them...lol.

Mixture right now is 3lbs Ultium, 1 1/2lb Amplify and 1/2lb Horseshine.

I could add 1/4 cup oil to see if she notices to reduce something else....but you are right, it's easier not to have oil at all...especially if I should need someone else to feed her and I can make a baggie up.:)

Strategy is good, just not as high in fat as the Ultium. Strategy is 8% and Ultium is 12%. The Renew Gold is 15%....that is why I was wondering about it. I have an EPSM horse who needs a lot of fat daily.
     
    09-05-2013, 10:17 AM
  #13
Trained
Just checked, you can feed up to 4 lbs Amplify.
I'd sign up on the Purina website, maybe they have a reward program. I did it with Nutrena and get coupons all the time
     
    09-05-2013, 01:20 PM
  #14
Trained
At one point I called purina to ensure the ingredients on some feed or another were all produced and processed in the US. They asked me if I wanted to sign up for their notifications via email. So, I did...I now get notifications. You might go to their website for sign up so you don't miss a coupon.

I have noticed these "boutique" feeds more and more. I once wanted something with very specific specs, and while watching the search at the feed store - Wow, how many can you really tailor? It's amazing how many there are. My guys are chubs. So, I have to be careful. But, by and large these "new" feeds package flax, soy, wheat by-products, and pulp, fortify it and call it "amaz'n". The reason I get mooman's or purina is that they actually test digestibility and overall "performance" of the product w credible test methods. Other than that, I like to go to the "parts", not the pricey "sum of the parts". The most difficult health "additive" I have is exercise. I didn't want my girl to be alone, so I got another..."life" makes exercising them both equally a challenge. Maybe I should have gotten her a furby.
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    09-20-2013, 02:49 PM
  #15
Foal
Renew Gold info

I can shed a little light on Renew Gold for you. This is not specifically designed as a ration balancer. Renew Gold works from the mouth down in the digestive system to normalize a number of things in that system. First, it is a very soft pellet designed to go to a meal form before it reaches the horses stomach. There, the medium chain fatty acids in the coconut meal have an anti-bacterial, anti-inflammitory effect designed to ease digestive stress and normalize nutrient uptake of the entire feeding program in the stomach and small intestine. At that point you want the coconut meal to be largely digested and out of the way. The total NSC of this product is 17%. Since feed rates are low (averaging 1 pound per day) that means that total starch and sugar from Renew Gold is only 77 grams per day. Typically one pound of Renew Gold replaces about 4 pounds of conventional feed. Even if the conventional feed is very very low NSC, say 10%, replacing 4 pounds of it lowers the starch/sugar load from feed by over 110 grams per day. This allows a total NSC from the feed part of the diet to easily fit in the portion of the digestive system where it is supposed to be digested and to be used to the horses benefit rather than as a road block to digestive efficiency if it goes undigested to the hind gut. The result of this, along with the energy density of Renew Gold allows for a more normal function in the hind gut, and more complete digestion of the real energy source that the horse is designed to use, it roughage. Calories that are in the hay or pasture are safe calories that are now captured and not left on the ground behind the horse, easily replacing calories removed from the diet by lowering total feed concentrate used. This program costs about $1 per day per head, is guaranteed or your money back. Of 100,000 bags sold, 7 have been refunded on the money back guarantee. Renew Gold has worked on every horse from Steffen Peters horse at the London Olympics last summer to Sherry Cervi's horse Stingray that is now leading the World Championship standing in Barrel Racing. Renew Gold is Certified GMO free, has no preservatives, fillers or solvent extracted oils. Always read the ingredient list when you buy feed. This is different from what we have fed in the past, and requires a little education as to how it works and how to incorporate it into your horses diet, but it is worth taking the time to understand.
     
    09-20-2013, 11:15 PM
  #16
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Originally Posted by winwillows    
I can shed a little light on Renew Gold for you. This is not specifically designed as a ration balancer. Renew Gold works from the mouth down in the digestive system to normalize a number of things in that system. First, it is a very soft pellet designed to go to a meal form before it reaches the horses stomach. There, the medium chain fatty acids in the coconut meal have an anti-bacterial, anti-inflammitory effect designed to ease digestive stress and normalize nutrient uptake of the entire feeding program in the stomach and small intestine. At that point you want the coconut meal to be largely digested and out of the way. The total NSC of this product is 17%. Since feed rates are low (averaging 1 pound per day) that means that total starch and sugar from Renew Gold is only 77 grams per day. Typically one pound of Renew Gold replaces about 4 pounds of conventional feed. Even if the conventional feed is very very low NSC, say 10%, replacing 4 pounds of it lowers the starch/sugar load from feed by over 110 grams per day. This allows a total NSC from the feed part of the diet to easily fit in the portion of the digestive system where it is supposed to be digested and to be used to the horses benefit rather than as a road block to digestive efficiency if it goes undigested to the hind gut. The result of this, along with the energy density of Renew Gold allows for a more normal function in the hind gut, and more complete digestion of the real energy source that the horse is designed to use, it roughage. Calories that are in the hay or pasture are safe calories that are now captured and not left on the ground behind the horse, easily replacing calories removed from the diet by lowering total feed concentrate used. This program costs about $1 per day per head, is guaranteed or your money back. Of 100,000 bags sold, 7 have been refunded on the money back guarantee. Renew Gold has worked on every horse from Steffen Peters horse at the London Olympics last summer to Sherry Cervi's horse Stingray that is now leading the World Championship standing in Barrel Racing. Renew Gold is Certified GMO free, has no preservatives, fillers or solvent extracted oils. Always read the ingredient list when you buy feed. This is different from what we have fed in the past, and requires a little education as to how it works and how to incorporate it into your horses diet, but it is worth taking the time to understand.
Thanks for all of that information! However, I don't use feed in a traditional way, since my horses have EPSM. I would have to feed approx 3 lbs of this and the NSC percentage would be too high per what is recommended by Dr. Beth Valentine. I'm not thinking it would be cost effective either since this feed comes in 30lb bags instead of 50lb bags of my current feed which is only 3% less per pound in the fat. I'm sure it is a great product for normal horses though.
     
    09-20-2013, 11:32 PM
  #17
Foal
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Originally Posted by Oldhorselady    
Thanks for all of that information! However, I don't use feed in a traditional way, since my horses have EPSM. I would have to feed approx 3 lbs of this and the NSC percentage would be too high per what is recommended by Dr. Beth Valentine. I'm not thinking it would be cost effective either since this feed comes in 30lb bags instead of 50lb bags of my current feed which is only 3% less per pound in the fat. I'm sure it is a great product for normal horses though.
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    09-20-2013, 11:47 PM
  #18
Foal
I understand, but you are missing the point just a little. We would not use 3 pounds as it is not necessary. You don't trade this product out pound for pound with other feeds. The point is to lower total NSC in the entire diet, provide digestible energy from vegetable fat in it's natural state, not from solvent extracted refined oil and use the safe, low starch digestible energy from the hay already in the diet, but not digested because the digestive system is not functioning normally. This works great on PSSM horses along with a daily exercise program, which is as important as the nutrition side in managing these horses. While this is a new concept, working with more complete digestion from a fully functioning system. I am very familiar with the concept you are using,having done some work with Beth Valentine and a lot of work with Stephanie Valberg on This issue.
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    09-20-2013, 11:56 PM
  #19
Banned
I love ultium! Both of mine thrive on it.

I've never heard of the gold stuff. Going off to do more research!
     
    09-21-2013, 12:54 AM
  #20
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Originally Posted by winwillows    
I understand, but you are missing the point just a little. We would not use 3 pounds as it is not necessary. You don't trade this product out pound for pound with other feeds. The point is to lower total NSC in the entire diet, provide digestible energy from vegetable fat in it's natural state, not from solvent extracted refined oil and use the safe, low starch digestible energy from the hay already in the diet, but not digested because the digestive system is not functioning normally. This works great on PSSM horses along with a daily exercise program, which is as important as the nutrition side in managing these horses. While this is a new concept, working with more complete digestion from a fully functioning system. I am very familiar with the concept you are using,having done some work with Beth Valentine and a lot of work with Stephanie Valberg on This issue.
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Ok, I'm interested in learning more.....

I currently feed the following:
3 lbs Purina Ultium = 36% fat
1.5 lbs Purina Amplify = 45% fat
.5 lb Omega Horseshine = 15% fat
2000iU Vit E
Diet = 96% out of the 100% fat recommended

Please give me information on what I would need to feed my horse to provide the fat needed, with minimal sugar/carbs?
     

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