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  • What treatment should you give a horse losing weight in the spring?
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    04-11-2013, 11:32 PM
  #21
Showing
So weird seeing someone called the same thing as I was. I was like "Woah I didn't post anything??? Oh.... gotcha" :P

I'm glad that you're stepping up and taking good care of him!

Apparently they value money over passion?? That's kind of sad.

He is looking better :) Keep at it.
     
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    04-12-2013, 12:12 AM
  #22
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by DriftingShadow    

Delfina- I will call my vet and ask about the sand clear! We did do a float test last Friday when he was out and we discussed it a little. He said sand was not a big thing in our area, and that it looked like Drifter was not a likely canidate for a sand impaction. I think he was trying to help me come up with cost effective treatments at the time but I will discuss it with him again. I will gladly buy a thing of sand clear if he think it is an issue.
You can buy other brands or even human grade psyllium. Same thing just cheaper... I used a couple different brands since 30 days worth is a CRAPTON of that stuff! The only sand we have is the arena... not at all a likely candidate here either which is why I consulted multiple Vets and the reason for 30 days worth is that not only will it clear any sand/foreign matter, it heals Hind Gut Ulcers which are apparently extremely hard to diagnose.
     
    04-12-2013, 12:23 AM
  #23
Trained
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Originally Posted by DriftingShadow    
Thanks Desert and Dreamcatcher!

Dreamcatcher- My vet was all for taking the more minimalist approach as well! He will probably be glad when I call him to discuss the feeding plan you mentioned. He was under the impression I didn't need to be stressing over the different things I fed either, but I was just so worried about upping his grain causing his ulcers to return. I will ditch the senior and get him started on some Ultium. As far as that omolene 400 goes .. we have tried it. Drifter hated it. I tried to feed it to him for 3 days straight and he would paw his bucket and get it everywhere, but never ate a mouthful. I also mixed some omolene 100 with some beetpulp hoping he would eat it, nope. He has a huge aversion to beetpulp. I am probably just going to give up on trying to feed that ha. Thank you again! You have been a huge help.
You're welcome if you find any use for any of this. I've been experimenting and throwing money down the horsey money pits for over 40 years. They're my horses, it's my money and I'll flush it, light a cigarette with it or feed it to a horse if I want to. Any one who doesn't approve can be quiet and go away. Besides, once you get him dialed in to what works, you've learned about no hair coat and blanketing, he'll be fine and turn out to be easy.

I've done the 2 lbs of timothy pellets, 3 lbs of COB, 1/2 lb of ...whatever.....LOL! And out of desperation and a lack of feed variety out here, I went to Strategy, Ultium, Grass Hay because it's what's readily available and mostly affordable. I found I spent a LOT more money by doing the "lab approach" to feeding and I didn't get the results.

I discovered 400 the first year of the drought when I had to stretch the 300 small bales I found, to keep 40 horses still moving their bowels and maintaining weight. Mine may have liked it because if they didn't eat it, they just didn't eat. In a cold climate that stuff's a PIA, so when I was able to secure more hay, I went back to Strategy. They seem to like Strategy as well or better than anything else I've fed.

Sometimes I think we get a skewed picture of what people are thinking on the net or in these forums. Those who don't like feeding grain seem to really push their agenda and those who feel like grain is a necessity get made to feel guilty or like they're bad owners. After all these years, I'm all for whatever works, fits in your budget and keeps your horse healthy and happy. Grain is not a 4 letter word and neither is alfalfa, both can be very useful and effective feeds.
     
    04-12-2013, 01:58 AM
  #24
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians    
You're welcome if you find any use for any of this. I've been experimenting and throwing money down the horsey money pits for over 40 years. They're my horses, it's my money and I'll flush it, light a cigarette with it or feed it to a horse if I want to. Any one who doesn't approve can be quiet and go away. Besides, once you get him dialed in to what works, you've learned about no hair coat and blanketing, he'll be fine and turn out to be easy.

I've done the 2 lbs of timothy pellets, 3 lbs of COB, 1/2 lb of ...whatever.....LOL! And out of desperation and a lack of feed variety out here, I went to Strategy, Ultium, Grass Hay because it's what's readily available and mostly affordable. I found I spent a LOT more money by doing the "lab approach" to feeding and I didn't get the results.

I discovered 400 the first year of the drought when I had to stretch the 300 small bales I found, to keep 40 horses still moving their bowels and maintaining weight. Mine may have liked it because if they didn't eat it, they just didn't eat. In a cold climate that stuff's a PIA, so when I was able to secure more hay, I went back to Strategy. They seem to like Strategy as well or better than anything else I've fed.

Sometimes I think we get a skewed picture of what people are thinking on the net or in these forums. Those who don't like feeding grain seem to really push their agenda and those who feel like grain is a necessity get made to feel guilty or like they're bad owners. After all these years, I'm all for whatever works, fits in your budget and keeps your horse healthy and happy. Grain is not a 4 letter word and neither is alfalfa, both can be very useful and effective feeds.
^^^that!!!
Im all for grain free where possible or necessary, but if a horse needs it, he needs it. I grew up in warmblood country, when breeders started to refine with TB's, but fed the foals like warmblood foals, grass only, and hay in winter, and were wondering why the crossed foals just wouldn't thrive. Then they started feeding grains. The results can be seen today, in any big competition.
Then you have the horse who is at proper weight, but you can tell something is missing. A small amount of grain fixes it.
It's individual. And if something works, don't change it.
If it ain't broke don't fix it and KISS keep it simple stupid
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    04-16-2013, 12:01 PM
  #25
Banned
I meant to snap some pictures yesterday of how he was looking now, but his colic episode made me completely forget!

I snapped early this morning though when I went back out to check on him. The ones from the side look great, but when I take them from the angle of his shoulder he looks like he still has a pretty far way to go. His color and spirits are great. He is being weaned onto the Ultium. My vet really likes that feed and says he thinks Drifter is going to great on it.

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    04-16-2013, 12:45 PM
  #26
Showing
I am not impressed with your vet's advise about waiting to turn the horse out to pasture. He needs to move for good hoof health and digestive health. If he's alone, feed him outside unless inclement weather. If he's with others bring him in when your give him hard feed then turn him back out. If you use a corner feeder he's bolting his feed down in a few minutes. Put more feeders in the stall and put some in each one. He'll move around from one to the other which slows down his consumption. The faster it goes in the less time to process it. I'll give you an example. I was using weatherproof rubber tubs which have wider diameter bottoms than corner feeders. Two horses finished their grain at the same time. I had to borrow one pan so I slipped a plastic toboggan under the fence and put grain in it. It's about 5' long with sides. It took the horse using it a full minute longer to eat his small ration of grain of less than a lb. If you feed hay in the pasture, grab an armful and walk with and toss a flake here and there, well apart. I use a quad, throw a bale on and scatter the hay over 5 acres which makes them look for it. If he is separated from other horses by a fence, he'll spend too much time wanting to be with them than spending time eating.
     
    04-16-2013, 12:52 PM
  #27
Green Broke
He is a cute TB. They can be hard keepers. Teeth floating is real important in the TB's . I have found that a little Karo syrup, yep corn sugar, will help picky eaters eat up all the supplements. I have some that refused the red cell, I put the karo on the red cell and got one horse to eat it. Also I use it to hide powdered bute. You cannot make a picky horse eat . It sounds like you have a great feeding plan going on, Good luck with the continued weight gain. Your horse is lucky to have you. I get comments all the time and I just say YEP I have hay burners and poop makers and after an extremely rude comment by someone, I said to them.. It is not your money so what difference does it make to you, how would like me to critic your hay bag ? Never heard a comment after that .
     
    04-16-2013, 01:51 PM
  #28
Green Broke
Colic?
Hmm...have you wormed him for tapeworm? Equimax or Zimecterin Gold or Quest Plus? If not, I would do that.
Looking at his coat, there's still something not quite right. With that amount of fortified feed( strategy and senior), even if altogether it's too little for him, he should have some shine to him.......
     
    04-16-2013, 02:40 PM
  #29
Green Broke
This is another thing to look into:
Hindgut Acidosis in Horses Explained. Precursor to More Serious Digestive Conditions. SUCCEED Equine
     
    04-16-2013, 02:41 PM
  #30
Foal
I've read this thread through a couple of times and I just can't shake the feeling that Drifter looks well, depressed. What is his background? You said he was a 2.5 when you got him last spring. That's pretty low and so I'm wondering what the story is behind that? It also confused me when your first post said that he was not being bullied and there was no change in his personality. Then in the next post you said that he was actually being bullied and his personality was coming back.
It's got to be very scary to see him be so low in weight and you seem to be doing your very best to figure out what he needs and provide it for him. I guess I'm just wondering what else might be going on in his little horsey world that might be getting overlooked because it's less obvious or seemingly unimportant to our human sensibilities.
(On a side note, horses in the wild do naturally drop weight just before spring as sort of a preparation for the rich spring grasses. Of course if there's anything to that in his case it seems a tad dramatic.)
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