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post #11 of 23 Old 05-01-2011, 03:18 PM
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is there a chance you could find the same type product but with Flax base?? Instead of wheat?

I have been called the NSC Nazi more then once ... I hate traditional feed methods of loading our horses up on grains and junk food :)
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post #12 of 23 Old 05-02-2011, 08:29 AM Thread Starter
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I'll have this vitamins for about 2 weeks, then the box is empty and I'll buy another one. I'll try to find one with flax base.

Do you think he'll get enough proteins and amino acids with adding flax seed and vegetable oil (wheat germ oil)?

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You're worring about the wrong thing. The spring grass is loaded with potentially harmful high levels of sugar. That's what he needs to be restricted from. The mineral blend has nice values and the amount you're feeding (50g) is going to contribute a negligible amount (less than 5g) of sugars. He can get that much sugars in one bite of grass.

Flax seed does contain some protein but you're only feeding a handful so it contributes very little to the overall diet. Oils contain no protein. The bulk has to come from the hay.

I think you're playing with fire in considering a grazing muzzle. He has some rotation already and any grazing he gets needs to be monitored. Some horses can eat just as fast with a grazing muzzle as without one. Some are very deft at getting out of them too.
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You are doing a great job with him and I am sure he is prob getting enough

How's his topline look?? Any pictures of him?

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He's only allowed to graze about 5 minutes in the morning, through day he is in the "starvation" paddock with soaked hay. I don't think sugar from as little grass as he gets could harm him, could it?
And I'll get a grazing muzzle as soon as someone will drive to the shop.

If his hay is soaked for hours, does it contain any proteins?
What else contains proteins and it's safe for him?

Pictures are coming in few minutes :)

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Pics are from today, so this is his current weight :)

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all the soaking removes is the sugars and starches

Send me the places you get your supplements from ... he looks good though so I wouldnt' be worrying too much

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I can send you few, but I don't know if you could work out the language...

radimamkonje.si - SIGNAL d.o.o., Trgovina Clair - KOVISAL 5 kg (Powered by CubeCart)

And the shop I usually buy from doesn't have informations about products they have.

But here are some firms (names) that the shop has:
Pfiff (CARE PRODUCTS « Products « PFIFF Reitsport - Bahnhofstraße 61a - D-59872 Meschede-Freienohl one :)
Cavalor (Cavalor Corporate Site - Supplements & Care - Prestation, Condition & Energy)

Probably they would have the same products :)

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I like this one
EQUIPUR®-amino 3000 g « Feed supplements « CARE PRODUCTS « Products « PFIFF Reitsport - Bahnhofstraße 61a - D-59872 Meschede-Freienohl

This could take me a while LOL

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He's only allowed to graze about 5 minutes in the morning, through day he is in the "starvation" paddock with soaked hay. I don't think sugar from as little grass as he gets could harm him, could it?
And I'll get a grazing muzzle as soon as someone will drive to the shop.

If his hay is soaked for hours, does it contain any proteins?
What else contains proteins and it's safe for him?

Pictures are coming in few minutes :)
Any amount of sugar can tip the scales the wrong way on a horse that has previously foundered......and its not just about the sugars....its about whether your horse is obsese or is the correct weight....whether he has any fat deposits that might make you think he might be IR.

If I had a pony that had foundered recently I would not be allowing any grass until I could figure out why the foundered occurred in the first place.

Grass contains high amounts of sugar the best time to graze is from 3 am to 9am. If you keep it watered and fertilized that will also help with the sugars......stress dry grass has more sugars the green lush grass.......its the amount they consume that is the problem.

Is there a metabolic problem ie IR or cushings, obesity????

I would certainly test my hay to ensure that what he was getting was low in sugar under 10% for a foundered horse....

Ponies require very little protein so I would not worry about the soaking plus I don't think protein is soaked out of the hay.....its more the vitamin and minerals.
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