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    11-18-2011, 06:19 PM
  #11
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Barnbumcarie, what makes you say the hay isn't good this year? It was a banner year for hay in northern New England, even with hurricane Irene wiping out the last cut.

I have one that flips her bucket because she is attempting to cherry pick. I have a big, deep sled that fits 3 bales of hay I use in the winter to load, unload, feed. I have been feeding her in that and the flipping has stopped. She has all the room to pick and sort to her hearts content without dumping it into the dirt.

I've had several that bolted their food and the sled worked for all. I've actually got a 2 bale sled that is now a full time feed pan. Used to use a big metal washtub but I flooded and the washtub is who knows where.

I've used a complete pellet for years on mine. My problem was easy keepers. I couldn't feed them the amounts recommended without them packing on the pounds. I started with sweet feed but slowly mixed the two and would put less and less of the sweet feed in and more of the complete pellet. They barely noticed the switch.

I do/did keep the sweet feed in the house. I also keep my feed in an unheated mud room but that's because of bears and an old donkey who was a great lock picker.

Not to hijack your post but I did want walkinthewalk to know her posts weren't falling on deaf ears. I wasn't answering because I was reading.

Save the treats for a bribe and a job well done. Just like children horses really like sugar. Just like kids it really isn't good for them. And as people age and horses age it's not unusual for the sugar to be even worse for them.

I used fine apple sauce in an old panacur syringe to give a treat now and then. Horses nearly wormed themselves after a few times.
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    11-18-2011, 07:31 PM
  #12
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Walkingthewalk, that is the pony in my avatar. She is about to put it to my big brute of a QH in the picture. She went into very deep mourning when he died suddenly,hence the arrival of my emaciated walker and her app pony companion. She quit eating and would just stand in the middle of the field waiting for King to return. She got a little better when the other 2 arrived, would eat again but not with gusto like usual. She would then take up her post in the middle of the field watching and waiting. Very sad to watch her like that.

Today she seemed to snap out of it and was putting the two new ones through their paces just because she could. She had made it clear she was in charge earlier but hadn't really awed them. Today she did. I was worried she would never be the same.

I think I was 17 or 18 when they started requiring Coggins to get on show grounds but I only remember having to have it laying on the dash. Can't say I remember anybody actually asking for it. My dad's bluetick hounds never went to the vet. It's likely he brought the shot home from a vet at the government center he worked at and did it himself though.

I've been reading a lot about IR issues. The pony has always been fat. Never gave her much in the way of grain. For the past 10 years it's been a handful of complete feed with grass pellets. I've worried about her getting enough vitamins and minerals out of this but couldn't feed her more without her getting really fat. This past year she is gaining on even this. But now I'm thinking she is always feeling hungry because she is needing more nutrition and eating more grass and hay than she really needs. I don't think it's Cushings. She doesn't have that moth eaten look about her. She is a curly anyway but her coat is soft and sleek. She still is pretty athletic for an old girl just fat on nothing. Sometimes she seems a little stiff but some days so am I. At her age any change in her food is going to need to be done slowly. And I'm afraid my severe winters are going to be problematic as well. Soaked hay would be an iceberg before I made it to the pasture. Can't even say what made me start wondering if something has changed about her, just odd little things coupled with more weight gain for no real reason that made me start wondering.
     
    11-19-2011, 08:35 AM
  #13
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Originally Posted by SueNH    
walkingthewalk, that is the pony in my avatar. She is about to put it to my big brute of a QH in the picture. She went into very deep mourning when he died suddenly,hence the arrival of my emaciated walker and her app pony companion. She quit eating and would just stand in the middle of the field waiting for King to return. She got a little better when the other 2 arrived, would eat again but not with gusto like usual. She would then take up her post in the middle of the field watching and waiting. Very sad to watch her like that.

Today she seemed to snap out of it and was putting the two new ones through their paces just because she could. She had made it clear she was in charge earlier but hadn't really awed them. Today she did. I was worried she would never be the same.

I think I was 17 or 18 when they started requiring Coggins to get on show grounds but I only remember having to have it laying on the dash. Can't say I remember anybody actually asking for it. My dad's bluetick hounds never went to the vet. It's likely he brought the shot home from a vet at the government center he worked at and did it himself though.

I've been reading a lot about IR issues. The pony has always been fat. Never gave her much in the way of grain. For the past 10 years it's been a handful of complete feed with grass pellets. I've worried about her getting enough vitamins and minerals out of this but couldn't feed her more without her getting really fat. This past year she is gaining on even this. But now I'm thinking she is always feeling hungry because she is needing more nutrition and eating more grass and hay than she really needs. I don't think it's Cushings. She doesn't have that moth eaten look about her. She is a curly anyway but her coat is soft and sleek. She still is pretty athletic for an old girl just fat on nothing. Sometimes she seems a little stiff but some days so am I. At her age any change in her food is going to need to be done slowly. And I'm afraid my severe winters are going to be problematic as well. Soaked hay would be an iceberg before I made it to the pasture. Can't even say what made me start wondering if something has changed about her, just odd little things coupled with more weight gain for no real reason that made me start wondering.
What a relief she is coming out of her grief; that is heart wrenching enough to read. My two 20-somethings have been BFF's for over 18 years. I have said if the Arab goes first, it might be the end for my TWH eventhough the TWH is the alpha dominant horse in the herd.

When I put my Rottweiler to sleep with throat cancer two years ago, my Lab/Sharpei quit eating, refused to go outside alone to do his business. I had no idea the Rott was such a huge enabler for the Lab/Sharpei. I had to hand feed Luke, put leash on him and walk him around. It took him 2 - 3 weeks before he became self-sufficient again, but it was months before he got back to being his normal self.

Even though it's late in the year, I might still consider drawing blood and doing an ACTH test to check for cushings. They could also draw a vile to check her insulin level.

Everything would probably be high because horses naturally store fat this time of year but there's an acceptable high and an "OMG" high that might indicate either insulin or pituitary issues or both.

Many times a cushings horse doesn't have that splotchy look or Yak-like hair until they are well on their way into the disease.

If you are feeding her bagged feed and feeding the recommended amount so she gets her vitamins and minerals, that might be the reason for the weight gain. She may not need that much anymore.

Ration balancers provide vitamins & minerals, or maybe just a plain old bag of vit/min without any grain in it.

You have gotten the Sweetie-Face to age 37 so I am no one to say anything but just wanted to put some other "foods for thought" on the table to consider.

What a sturdy and hardy Little Booger she is -- whatever the gene pool THAT is a pool that should have been bandied around the entire planet
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    11-19-2011, 05:28 PM
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She only get a handful of a complete pellet, tractor supply haystretcher and beet pulp for her meals. In the summer when the grass is in she doesn't even get that. She can still eat hay pretty good.

I'm going to switch the TWH over to a ration balancer as soon as she gains a little more. I'm already seeing a difference and I'm not giving her anywhere near what a 16 hand horse should be getting. Seems like a good thing to put the pony on. Had to special order it. Nobody had heard of it. Hopefully tractor supply will get it right. Even showing them a picture of the bag I have my doubts. Got blank looks at the other 2 feed stores too. Went with Tractor Supply because they could get the Nutrena Empower Balance. The goats will inherit any leftover feed when it comes in.
     
    11-19-2011, 05:48 PM
  #15
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You said your pellet was a complete feed. That means your horse is getting everything it needs from that feed. Are you sure you're not wanting to add "guilt" food? I've found horses like to nibble pellets but will bolt them down given the opportunity. I spread mine over a fairly large area, like an old kitchen table with sides added. In winter I scatter them in the snow. The horses will spend an hour looking for the last morsels.
     
    11-19-2011, 08:10 PM
  #16
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Originally Posted by Saddlebag    
You said your pellet was a complete feed. That means your horse is getting everything it needs from that feed. Are you sure you're not wanting to add "guilt" food? I've found horses like to nibble pellets but will bolt them down given the opportunity. I spread mine over a fairly large area, like an old kitchen table with sides added. In winter I scatter them in the snow. The horses will spend an hour looking for the last morsels.
That depends what the feeding directions are. If the feeding directions say "three pounds daily", for example, and the horse is only getting a handful, no it isn't getting all of its vit/min because the vit/min requirements are based on the amount the bag says to feed.

Switching to a ration balancer for an easy keeper that is not in hard work is better because there's no grain and it takes a much smaller amount to accomplish feeding the needed vit/ min.

My horses don't get a complete feed because it takes too much for their easy keeper butts to get the bag-recommended vit/min. What I feed only requires 10 ounces daily based on a 1,000 lb horse. That, 1/4 cup of rice bran and some Omega-3 Horseshine is all they get; except for the two metabolic horses that need additional things to control their insulin

I'm sorry if that didn't make sense. I know what I'm trying to say but I don't always get things typed that way
     
    11-19-2011, 09:43 PM
  #17
Foal
It is so hard to figure what they need :( hmmm he is an easy keeper and I only give him a 1 lb can of complete in the am and one at night. I put about a table spoon of oil and a teaspoon of molasses in the pellets to be sure there is no dust from the pellets and he gets a cored apple and a carrot cut up and mixed in. I feed approx 2 flakes of hay2times a day in his nibble net to slow him down otherwise he would have that gone in 20 mins. In the summer I don't feed grain and only a flake or 2 of hay when I put him in at night. So far the winter has been pretty warm here so he more able to stay active in his pasture. LOL we get about 3 to four feet of snow sometimes and I have to snowblow him a path so he can move around a little. I just worry because I have never fed a complete pellet usually 10% or 12% sweet feed and I have always had good hay. It has been so interesting to read everything posted and I thank you all so much for your responses :)
     
    11-20-2011, 04:13 AM
  #18
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I'm kinda wondering if I'm going to have to shovel paths this year. With my palomino snow plow gone I might. I remember one year the snow was so deep it was over my head. I had 7 horses at the time and was feeding round bales at the back gate. The snowmobile club used their trail groomer to keep the gate open for me. The horses had a trail from the barn to the back and it was like moving in a tunnel.
     
    11-20-2011, 08:26 AM
  #19
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Originally Posted by SueNH    
. I remember one year the snow was so deep it was over my head. I had 7 horses at the time and was feeding round bales at the back gate. The snowmobile club used their trail groomer to keep the gate open for me. The horses had a trail from the barn to the back and it was like moving in a tunnel.

Was that in '76 / '77? I lived in NE Ohio at the time and I couldn't even keep up with the back hoe/front loader that year. I had plowed our drive twice in a few hours and it wasn't holding.

When my son's father called to say he was leaving work, I got suited up and plowed a third time because our driveway was short but very steep. He had to get the best run he could to get up it and we both held our breath that he wouldn't go right thru the back side of the garage - lol lol

The National Guard had to come and dig our road open. That was the first winter I ever shut the horses in the barn because they thought they needed to stand on the windiest corner of the barn and become ice statues. Their eyelashes and nose hairs froze solid, so there I was trudging to the barn way after dark, in the blizzard, to lock them up
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    11-20-2011, 08:54 AM
  #20
Foal
I probably am a guilt feeder lol :) as for the hay this yr, I had a hard time getting hay because I am down to one horse at home and no one wante to deliver the small qty that I needed :( so I got the last of what was out there. I don't ride as much as I would like it is the bad thing about not being in a big boarding stable. I no longer like to ride alone. A few yrs back I was training a young mare under saddle it was our 3 ride, dhe had done what I asked we walked the huge out door both directions and we did circles and serpintines. I was happy with that. The barn owner ( the person I bought the horse from) came out and she was drunk started yelling for me to make her do more that she could do more. Well, she got a whip and she started snapping it at her from behind. My mare reared up I was too worried about that woman and my friend who was with me and the mare went up too high and flipped over on me. I broke my pelvis fractured my skull got nerve damage in my legs and tore all the muscle and whatever else is in your rib cage apart. The horse and I were nocked out and when I came too I was under her. I tried to get out then she started kicking me. My head was in between her front and hind legs.The lady grabed my arms and pulled me out than she took the mare and walked her. The lady told me to get up and I tried to walk twice made it a few steps then told them to call 911. It was a nightmare. I could not walk much unless I had a walker for 8 weeks. I used to be an accomplished rider, pretty good at it :) but since then I have fear when I ride. It is hard going from enjoying something you love to still loving it but having fear. No one understands, they all say I have to get over it. My sister used to call me a horse whisperer lol queer I know but I used to have a good thing with horses. I know my horse knows, he is never bad he just knows I am not who I was. I did end up selling my mare. I only got back on her 1 time after I got better. Sad, she was a beauty and well bred. So yeah it's guilt food but only because I don't ride like I should and I know he is bored.
     

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