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    05-13-2013, 10:53 PM
Weight loss, decreased level of stamina/energy, and colic. I would talk to the vet. There might be something going on, whether it's ulcers or something else, that needs to be addressed.
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    05-13-2013, 10:59 PM
My two are on the Ultium Competition feed and doing well....but....mine are not hard keepers either.
    05-13-2013, 11:03 PM
Green Broke
Maybe it is ulcers. Competing so hard has got to be stressful. Our rides are all six to eight hour drives there, ride 50 miles, and drive back. Do it again next weekend or the weekend after. She hasn't been "girthy" or "touchy" at all, as she was with her previous suspected ulcer case.

She's heading to the vet soon anyway for some "stress test" blood work after a ride (see if we have any tie up action going on) anyway. I could discuss my concerns with my vet, maybe get her scoped. See what's going on. That random colic really concerned me.

For now... Beet pulp sounds good. She likes beet pulp. I'm really cautious about using any kind of grain (I've fed Legends Performance Pellet before, but barely a pound a day) , even low sugar/starch ones. The hardest thing about beat pulp is finding some with no added molasses. Can you take the molasses "off" or wash it away or something?

Should I also increase her alfalfa? Maybe work my way to four pounds over a couple days?
    05-13-2013, 11:19 PM
I know the TSC/Standlee pellets say you can rinse them to reduce sugar content. Maybe someone here with FeedXL could give your more specifics on NSC in different brands of beet pulp? So long as it's under, what, 12%? It's good, right?
    05-13-2013, 11:20 PM
Green Broke
10-12% is fine.
    05-14-2013, 10:29 AM
Up the alfalfa. Safe roughage, good energy, lower sugar than grass hay.
Watch the herd dynamics a bit, something might have changed, where she doesn't have access to the bale, is being bullied, which in turn, can affect her stomach.
I'd work her less also, until she's back or well on the way to where she should be.
Ultium might be a good idea also. If she's working hard, the amount of fat she needs goes up, too.
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    05-14-2013, 10:38 AM
Originally Posted by Brighteyes    
Forgive my double post, but I forget something important!

She coliced yesterday. For the first time ever, and for "no reason." Might be important? She was better within an hour after some banamine, but it was very strange.
What symptoms did she display?
    05-14-2013, 02:20 PM
Has she been treated for tapeworm?
    05-14-2013, 03:59 PM
My daughter's horse does not have PSSM, but has had similar symptoms, therefore is on a PSSM diet. She eats a flake of alfalfa (approx 7 lbs), plus 2 lbs of alf. Pellets each day, 3 flakes of local grass hay, and is turned out on a sparse pasture 5 days a week. We have had to keep her on a well grazed pasture so she isn't eating too much rich grass.

No grain, just 1lb of supplement with her pellets. She's not packing an extra pound according to her vet and farrier, but is in good shape. I would definitely feed more alfalfa. When we cut the pellets out, we see weight drop, so we keep giving her 2 lbs a day.

With the weight loss, and the colic, I would definitely consult a vet though. That seems like you might have some red flags.
    05-14-2013, 04:10 PM
Green Broke
Since she colicked is she sanded ? I would start her on a double of psyllium for three days , and then regular dose for 7 days, take a glove and fresh poo that from the pile top so it has not hit the dirt, add water, and look and feel for sand.
I add the psyllium to bran, that has been wet, but not a mash . Is she drinking enough water ? Maybe she needs an electrolye .You can get some in a tube, or buy the powder to add to feed and water.
The worse case , could be liver failure. We have had some horses that had liver failure, started out with weight loss, colic symptoms, treated for worms had teeth floated, cbc's run, tubed and oiled for colic, added supplements,added hay, still had weight loss, then problems urinating and a fever.. Final dx after labs specific for liver and kidney, was failure. Unfortunately no cure. Not contagious had that lab test also.

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