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post #21 of 31 Old 10-24-2013, 09:38 AM Thread Starter
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I actually pull hay off the round bale when I have one and make extra piles so the low man isn't run off the food. In the dead of winter I have at least 2 round bales going so they are never out.

Right now I have only one round bale out there and I made 6 other piles. Only have 3 horses out there and there still is some grass but it's pretty much quit growing at this point. Maybe a little overkill on my part but I can't stand seeing anybody run off their meal.
That's a good idea!! Yeah its that time of year. Need to get on the barn manager about getting round bales put out!

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post #22 of 31 Old 11-11-2013, 09:56 AM Thread Starter
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Progress

Well we seem to be making progress. The farrier was out a week ago and the first thing she said was WOW he is looking GREAT!!!! So that made me feel pretty good knowing that what I was doing actually WAS making noticeable progress, so yay! Now if I could just get him to come to the gate when I whistle instead of walking 15-20 acres to get him we would be in tip top shape haha
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post #23 of 31 Old 11-11-2013, 10:00 AM Thread Starter
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And in case anyone is wondering what I am feeding....

-2# of Nutrena Performance (purple bag)
-1 cottage cheese container of soaked beet pulp
-1 handfull of soaked alfalfa pellets
Mix together, add Biotin powder (for his hoof issues) and I feed this ration twice a day along with all the grass and hay he can eat.

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post #24 of 31 Old 11-12-2013, 12:40 AM
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If he was kept stalled, on sweets &/or otherwise grainy/starchy feed, too little roughage, and fed the 'high octane' meals only once daily, I'm not surprised he's a 'hard keeper'. Has he been checked/treated for ulcers? Hind gut acidosis? Does he get a probiotic? Extra magnesium? They are some of the measures I'd be considering strongly, along with other's good advice.

Ed to add... didn't read more than 1st page before above. I see you've had some success. Re above, I'd probably work towards reducing/removing the Nutrena & building up the alfalfa. I'd also be including whatever appropriate nutritional supps will 'fill the gaps' in that diet.

While if he gets some green pick daily, his biotin levels aren't likely to be low, studies have shown that hoof growth speeds up (not nec strength or health) with high levels of biotin, even in excess of dietary requirements, and it's safe to do so. But that is but one of many 'ingredients' needed for healthy hooves, coat, skin, etc that are likely lacking/imbalanced in the diet. I'd look at providing all he needs rather than just one ingredient.

Also crappy feet may have more to do with diet than nutrition as such, &/or environment & management too.
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post #25 of 31 Old 11-12-2013, 08:50 AM Thread Starter
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Yeah he was stalled and on sweet feed before I got him so I am sure that has something to do with it. I've been slowly trying to increase his roughage and decrease the amount of grain.

If the biotin helps their feet grow then thats what I needed. His feet were all tore up from him yanking his shoes off I wanted to get them to grow so my farrier can help to correct his club foot, which I'm happy to report, is doing much better after three months of good farrier work! I'd love to keep him barefoot like he has been since I got him, but will re-assess this spring and maybe get another set of xrays on his front legs to make sure the sole of his foot isn't dangerously thin anymore.

Its definately been a process with him, but I feel like Im moving in the right direction thanks to everyone's advice and guidance! I'm not used to hard keepers lol :)

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post #26 of 31 Old 11-12-2013, 09:29 AM
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SafeChoice Perform Horse Feed by Nutrena

The Nutrena Website recommends that a 950lb performance horse in moderate work (I realize that he might not be worked that much, but my harder keeping arabians often are active enough in the field for this to count) be fed about 6-8.5 lbs a day.

They recommend that a 950lb performance horse in light work be fed 3.80 lb - 6.18 lbs.

I wonder if you just aren't getting enough into him.
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post #27 of 31 Old 11-12-2013, 12:33 PM Thread Starter
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SafeChoice Perform Horse Feed by Nutrena

The Nutrena Website recommends that a 950lb performance horse in moderate work (I realize that he might not be worked that much, but my harder keeping arabians often are active enough in the field for this to count) be fed about 6-8.5 lbs a day.

They recommend that a 950lb performance horse in light work be fed 3.80 lb - 6.18 lbs.

I wonder if you just aren't getting enough into him.
He's coming six and went from stall half day turnout half day to 24/7 turnout. He is just burning calories faster than he can take them in. Once spring rolls around I'll have to re-assess because he is going to be working a lot more.

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Right... So what I am saying is that 2lbs twice a day is stil on the low side of what is recommended for him. So increasing the grain would be helpful.
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If the biotin helps their feet grow then thats what I needed. His feet were all tore up from him yanking his shoes off I wanted to get them to grow so my farrier can help to correct his club foot, which I'm happy to report, is doing much better after three months of good farrier work! I'd love to keep him barefoot like he has been since I got him, but will re-assess this spring and maybe get another set of xrays on his front legs to make sure the sole of his foot isn't dangerously thin anymore.
Biotin is only one of many nutrients needed for healthy feet. They need the whole 'recipe' - can't make a cake with nothing but raising agent!

Some 'food for thought'... Conventional shoes aren't the only(or the best IMO) thing for protecting feet and being only just 6yo & having problems I'd be more reluctant to shoe him ATM. And unless your farrier is working in conjunction with a good bodyworker - vet chiro or such, 'correcting' a clubbed foot is not generally advisable.
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I would highly suggest the Step Right program. I have never had such amazing results in such a short period of time as I did with that feed program.

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