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        03-07-2013, 01:19 PM
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    Originally Posted by Oldhorselady    
    That was my concern at first too Jaydee. However, from my understanding, is that the horses muscles use that fat after allowing so much 20-25% in their diets correctly. If I was to only add 10%, the muscles wouldn't use the fat correctly, and that is when you would get the obesity.
    Sounds like the Keto diet for horses (DH has been on this diet for about a month now; summary is if you stop providing carbs the body will switch over to processing fat for energy. It works very well for people whose bodies just don't handle carbs well, so I could see something similar working in horses who don't handle carbs well either)
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        03-07-2013, 08:46 PM
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    So, since my two threads have kind of gotten mixed up now...I am going to post this video here too from today. The original thread was Snickers Hind End Saga....if anyone is interested in that too.

    This is just a video today in the roundpen. She seemed to slap the ground a little more than yesterday at the trot with her hind feet, but it is still improved from before as far as her holding the trot longer. Instead of just the right hip swinging out when she comes down to the walk, it is more evenly bilateral now.

    http://www.youtube.com/my_videos_edi...gtUQK1ZOo&ns=1
         
        03-08-2013, 09:04 AM
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    This link doesnt seem to work on my computer - could you re-post it?
         
        03-08-2013, 09:57 AM
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    Originally Posted by jaydee    
    This link doesnt seem to work on my computer - could you re-post it?
    You can go to You Tube and type in EPSM Snickers and go to the Trot In Roundpen video.....
         
        03-08-2013, 10:42 AM
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    Got it
    She looks lame doesnt she? I don't really know anything but EPSM but when we (and our vet) suspected our ID had 'tied up' she didnt move like that - in fact she really didnt move at all!!! She had actually somehow badly sprained her front tendons racing around in the field.
    Years ago we had a little welsh pony that had a similar experience and all his muscles seemed tight and swollen. He got anti inflammatories and we changed his diet, restricted his grazing and he never had a repeat
    Looking at the one of her ridden walk/trot its almost as if she has some sort of back weakness like a sacro-iliac problem (have you ever had a rectal ultra sound done?) Then at other times she moves very similarly to the way my old mare does and she has arthritic stifles which can be worse at times than at others
         
        03-08-2013, 06:53 PM
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    She looks lame doesnt she? I don't really know anything but EPSM but when we (and our vet) suspected our ID had 'tied up' she didnt move like that - in fact she really didnt move at all!!! She had actually somehow badly sprained her front tendons racing around in the field.
    Years ago we had a little welsh pony that had a similar experience and all his muscles seemed tight and swollen. He got anti inflammatories and we changed his diet, restricted his grazing and he never had a repeat
    Looking at the one of her ridden walk/trot its almost as if she has some sort of back weakness like a sacro-iliac problem (have you ever had a rectal ultra sound done?) Then at other times she moves very similarly to the way my old mare does and she has arthritic stifles which can be worse at times than at others
    She has been like this since I got her a year and a half ago. Vet then said she was growing into her butt/legs since she was two and a draft cross. Vet now diagnosed her with stringhalt.

    I can't really say it's a lameness thing, but I guess that depends on how you term lameness. It seems like it is just 'her'. If it's painful, she has a very high pain tolerance. It seems like she always is willing to do anything within her limits.

    I have not had ultrasounds or xrays done, especially since there hasn't been any professionals that can even tell me where to begin as far as where the problem stems from.
         
        03-08-2013, 09:43 PM
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    Jaydee, there is a link here somewhere to the symptoms of what is suspected Snickers has......fits to a T...
         
        03-08-2013, 10:11 PM
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    Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
    Jaydee, there is a link here somewhere to the symptoms of what is suspected Snickers has......fits to a T...

    I think I'm going to cry.....

    Snickers D13-009480 is N/N negative
    Belle D13-009478 is P/N one positive gene


    This is the emailed result.....the report will be in the mail on Monday.

    Refer to the University of Minnesota for explanation of the results (just scroll down the page once you go to the link):

    Recent advances in PSSM genetic testing - CVM - UMEC, University of Minnesota
         
        03-08-2013, 10:13 PM
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    I will be waiting to hear back from Dr. Valentine on both horses.
         
        03-09-2013, 09:41 AM
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    So this means you are back to square one with Snickers but the fact that the other horse has a positive gene doesnt mean that she will suffer from the problem only that she has the potential too?
    I've queried this as pretty much all UK native breeds and many others are known to have this inherited disposition to be at risk of getting diet related laminitis & IRS but if managed correctly can live free of it. I'm not sure if the same applies to EPSN
    I thought she had stringhalt when I first looked at the video but then decided it didnt look like horses I've been around that had it - one even jumped at quite a high standard
    Since she doesnt seem to be in pain it could just be a skeletal deformity that she was either born with or caused by an accident early in her life that her ligaments and muscles have adjusted too.
    I'll have another look at the videos but her back end seemed to have a sort of disunited look
    I don't know what you and the others think but if she was mine I'd drop the high fat diet idea for her and just keep her on the sort of diet advised for native breeds, cobs, easy keepers etc of low starch/low sugar with restricted grazing in the high fructose times of year/day.
         

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