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post #41 of 101 Old 03-05-2013, 11:36 AM
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I sure didn't mean to call you out on that but you know what I mean. I see it on these forums all the time where people appear to have unlimited $$ to spend on their horses and aren't in my opinion making wise financial choices.

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This supplement is supposed to be a 50 day supply, feeding 8oz daily. If it can be combined with other fat sources and be fed at 4 oz daily, it would still raise the fat% significantly and would come out to about 20$ a month plus supply 500 IU of vit E, which, in turn, make the E supplement mentioned earlier last twice as long(2lbs for48$).
Or, given at full ration, will eliminate the need for said E supplement completely, since it contains the same amount of E
All a matter of math.....

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I would stick WAY under 30% NSC!! Holy cow!! I wont feed anything over 13% NSC and that's to horses with no issues! I like to stay around 10% or under.

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I'm not familiar with the disease, but I think you're best bet is to feed the oil along with a low NSC feed such as TC Lite and Alf pellets. I use cocosoya oil though, not veggie.

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Not sure if you've had any problems confirmed by actual tests or not - might have missed that bit....
One thing to consider is that these heavy horses were bred to work really hard - and you say that they are easy keepers
The farmers in the UK tended to work them and stable them during the day and turn them out at night. They would mostly exist on that grazing, hay and a scoop of oats and would never look underweight.
Unless they need extra oil for a specific reason then I'm not sure I would be increasing what they get over and above whats already in their complete balanced feed
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Ok, short-term, for now...the tack store I am going to carries...Purina Stategy, TC Senior and TC Growth and TC Low-Starch, along with the Purina Ultium. These were all on Dr. V list. The Ultium was listed under higher fat feeds and the others under low starch/sugar feeds. Trying to pick something up to at least add to their current mixture to make my girls more happy with their taste buds. I will work on the long term and tweak it. Is there one that you think would be best for now at least? Doesn't the Ultuim have sugar in it though? Plus you can see grains in it, which I thought suggested that the grain was too high in starch and sugar for EPSM horses?????
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Ok, short-term, for now...the tack store I am going to carries...Purina Stategy, TC Senior and TC Growth and TC Low-Starch, along with the Purina Ultium. These were all on Dr. V list. The Ultium was listed under higher fat feeds and the others under low starch/sugar feeds. Trying to pick something up to at least add to their current mixture to make my girls more happy with their taste buds. I will work on the long term and tweak it. Is there one that you think would be best for now at least? Doesn't the Ultuim have sugar in it though? Plus you can see grains in it, which I thought suggested that the grain was too high in starch and sugar for EPSM horses?????
IMO, pick the feel with the lowest NSC which would be the TC Sr. BUT, you will not need to feed the oil with this feed. It is already high fat/fiber and the NSC is 11.7%

BUT, also remember that if you're feeding less than the recommended amount, you will need to supplement with a vit/min supp.

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IMO, pick the feel with the lowest NSC which would be the TC Sr. BUT, you will not need to feed the oil with this feed. It is already high fat/fiber and the NSC is 11.7%

BUT, also remember that if you're feeding less than the recommended amount, you will need to supplement with a vit/min supp.
What do I look at on the label to determine the NCS? I will remain on the Ration Balancer for now to get them vit/min.
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IMO, pick the feel with the lowest NSC which would be the TC Sr. BUT, you will not need to feed the oil with this feed. It is already high fat/fiber and the NSC is 11.7%

BUT, also remember that if you're feeding less than the recommended amount, you will need to supplement with a vit/min supp.
Absolutely she has to add oil to the diet. That's the whole purpose here. Her goal needs to be 20%+ of the total calories HAS to come from fats. If most of the diet is grass hays which are only 2-3% fat, you've got to have an extremely high fat source as an add in.

I wouldn't waste my $$ on the low starch TC. It only has 3% fat. It costs about the same as the other feeds and might as well get some of the necessary fat from the feed.
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At only 10% fat, I would not be only feeding the TC Senior, for sure, without oil/cool cal.
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Absolutely she has to add oil to the diet. That's the whole purpose here. Her goal needs to be 20%+ of the total calories HAS to come from fats. If most of the diet is grass hays which are only 2-3% fat, you've got to have an extremely high fat source as an add in.

I wouldn't waste my $$ on the low starch TC. It only has 3% fat. It costs about the same as the other feeds and might as well get some of the necessary fat from the feed.

LHP...what about the Ultium and the sugar? It's on the high fat Dr. V. List.
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