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        03-05-2013, 05:08 PM
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    Ok....the Omega Horseshine supplement is 30% fat and to be fed as a top dressing at 1/2 to 1 cup per 1000-1200lb horse. So....is it 30% if I feed the 1/2 cup and 60% if I feed the 1 cup? Don't laugh. I bought it along with TC Senior until I get a better feel for this. I also will continue the ration balancer etc.
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        03-05-2013, 05:42 PM
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    Nevermind....3.3lbs to get 1lb fat......oy.
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        03-05-2013, 05:59 PM
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    I'm still not sure - but not seen the video - but the mane sample test will only show a genetic disposition surely - the same way that many breeds are showing a predispostion for IRS related laminitis.
    Horse/ponies can have that but wont essentially become IRS if you manage them on a low starch/low sugar diet with plenty of exercise. Its only when they actually become IRS that the high fat diet comes into play to help them maintain good bodyweight and energy without the sugar overload
    I would have thought that it would take a blood test or tissue analysis to confirm that your horse actually has it and m not just an 'at risk' situation
    Is adding all this oil a preventative?
    Id be concerned that it might just pile weight on them that they don't need and upset their metabolism.
    If they seem well and healthy then maybe they are - if it aint broke then don't fix it'
         
        03-05-2013, 06:13 PM
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    Are you looking for a HS math teacher position?
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        03-05-2013, 06:29 PM
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    Originally Posted by Oldhorselady    
    Ok....the Omega Horseshine supplement is 30% fat and to be fed as a top dressing at 1/2 to 1 cup per 1000-1200lb horse. So....is it 30% if I feed the 1/2 cup and 60% if I feed the 1 cup? Don't lagh. I bought it along with TC Senior until I get a better feel for this. I also will continue the ration balancer etc.
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    The cup of Horseshine weighs 4 ounces. 4 cups to the lb

    You'll have to weigh the hay to figure out how much fat comes from that. And all extra feed ditto for the fat. What is missing towards the 20-25% fat you want, you'll have to
    Start replacing some of the low-fat stuff with high fat until you arrive at the numbers.

    If the senior has more fat lb per lb than the RB, I'd start there. Then add what's coming from the Horseshine. And so on.
         
        03-05-2013, 06:36 PM
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    Are you looking for a HS math teacher position?
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    Lol...no but if I was.....I would never get hired. I waaay over think.
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        03-05-2013, 08:16 PM
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    We are working with an EPSM high fat low sugar and starch diet....which is not a traditional diet.
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    I'm not familiar with it. Why does it require a high fat diet?

    I understand the low sugar/starch diet as it is healthier for any horse, but not the high fat.

    Pardon my ignorance. EPSM is one thing I am not familiar with, at all.
         
        03-05-2013, 09:46 PM
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    I'm not familiar with it. Why does it require a high fat diet?
    In a nutshell, a horse with EPSM can not metabolize starches and sugars. Muscles can not utilize glycogen properly which leads to muscle damage, low energy, tying up symptoms among other things. With a little bit of time and a high fat diet, you can "train" the muscles to utilize fat as an energy source. They key is the 20-25% of the total calories has to come from fat to make it work.
         
        03-05-2013, 10:33 PM
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    LHP---I'm not a total moron...it's just figuring out what the word problem is in order to do the actual math is what confuses me!

    Desert----Thanks for your help again, I'm on it.:)
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        03-06-2013, 08:09 AM
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    Originally Posted by Left Hand Percherons    
    In a nutshell, a horse with EPSM can not metabolize starches and sugars. Muscles can not utilize glycogen properly which leads to muscle damage, low energy, tying up symptoms among other things. With a little bit of time and a high fat diet, you can "train" the muscles to utilize fat as an energy source. They key is the 20-25% of the total calories has to come from fat to make it work.
    I've looked into this in the past as we thought our ID mare had it (she didnt) but I can't see that putting a horse on a high fat diet unless its proven to have EPSM (and not just has a genetic disposition to be at risk) is a good idea if the horse is already an easy keeper
         

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