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post #1 of 9 Old 10-31-2013, 12:04 PM Thread Starter
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Safe Choice Maintenance

Hi!
Does anyone here give their horses Safe Choice Maintenance?

I don't know a whole lot about different feeds, but I bought a bag for my mare. She's healthy and doesn't need to gain any weight.

I'm curious if anyone else has used it, and if they liked it or not.

Thanks!
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post #2 of 9 Old 11-03-2013, 10:35 PM
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I don't use it & wouldn't generally feed something that high NSC. If your horse doesn't need to gain any weight, what's the rest of her diet & why are you feeding it? If for eg. it's only as a small treat, or handful to mix supplements in, I wouldn't stress about the high NSC so much. But I'd generally just go for a low dose, low GI 'ration balancer' to compliment the hay/grazing of an 'easy keeper', rather than a feed that's high in starch.
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At 20%NSC I wouldn't even concider it pluse I don't care for safe choice any way. If your horse doesn't need weight then why feed grain. When my 3 were fat last winter they never saw any grain only 24/7 hay and a vitamin mineral supp.
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I don't use it & wouldn't generally feed something that high NSC. If your horse doesn't need to gain any weight, what's the rest of her diet & why are you feeding it? If for eg. it's only as a small treat, or handful to mix supplements in, I wouldn't stress about the high NSC so much. But I'd generally just go for a low dose, low GI 'ration balancer' to compliment the hay/grazing of an 'easy keeper', rather than a feed that's high in starch.
Right now she's getting hay, there are some mineral blocks in the paddock, safe choice maintenance, and I'm giving her some msm.

It's mainly for a treat, and also so that she gets a little extra for winter too since she's at the bottom of the herd.

What percentage is considered a lot for starch? I don't know a whole lot about nutrition (I'd love to learn, if you have any resources/websites, I'd love to read about it!)

Do you have any suggestions for a good feed? I want to give her the best I can. She's any easykeeper, I don't want something that will give her a lot of extra energy. I'm hopefully going to be riding her 4-5 times a week once the spring is here, but right now she isn't getting ridden a ton.

There's so many options of feed, it's overwhelming! I just know I don't want to give her sweetfeed :P
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I'm kinda wondering if I should try a ration balancer...
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Yeah if she's a 'good doer' I wouldn't pre empt her weightloss over winter by feeding more. Address it if it becomes an issue IMO. While of course you don't want her skinny, if she's 'well conditioned' now, it won't hurt for her to lose a bit - on the contrary it's good for us all to have regular 'hard seasons' to use up those extra fat stores!

What is considered high NSC? I'd consider anything around 20% too high & would be comfortable with around 12-15% for a healthy horse, but would want to keep it under 12% if there were already any metabolic concerns. Look up Dr Elanor Kellon as one good source of diet/nutrition info online. She actually runs an online course if you're interested too. Also Katy Watts | Safergrass.org is another with lots of good info. FeedXL.com is a fantastic service/program for working out precisely what's what in the horse's diet & what products will most effectively 'fill the gaps'. There is also a forum where you can speak to a nutritionist.

While she'll be getting a little from mineral blocks, studies have shown that horses really don't get that much from them - they'd have to munch them, or lick 24 hrs a day. So while I provide these - & a straight salt lick - for 'Justin Case', I would be looking to provide the horse with a good RB or other nutritional supplement.
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Yeah if she's a 'good doer' I wouldn't pre empt her weightloss over winter by feeding more. Address it if it becomes an issue IMO. While of course you don't want her skinny, if she's 'well conditioned' now, it won't hurt for her to lose a bit - on the contrary it's good for us all to have regular 'hard seasons' to use up those extra fat stores!

What is considered high NSC? I'd consider anything around 20% too high & would be comfortable with around 12-15% for a healthy horse, but would want to keep it under 12% if there were already any metabolic concerns. Look up Dr Elanor Kellon as one good source of diet/nutrition info online. She actually runs an online course if you're interested too. Also Katy Watts | Safergrass.org is another with lots of good info. FeedXL.com is a fantastic service/program for working out precisely what's what in the horse's diet & what products will most effectively 'fill the gaps'. There is also a forum where you can speak to a nutritionist.

While she'll be getting a little from mineral blocks, studies have shown that horses really don't get that much from them - they'd have to munch them, or lick 24 hrs a day. So while I provide these - & a straight salt lick - for 'Justin Case', I would be looking to provide the horse with a good RB or other nutritional supplement.
Thank you for the websites, I'm going to take a look at them! I haven't seen how she keeps weight through the winter as of yet, but I don't think she'll have problems with it.

Any specific ration balancers that you suggest? I'm going to do some digging around today. Thanks for being so helpful :)
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Most brands make a ration balancer- some of the most common ones are Triple Crown 30% Supplement (my RB of choice), Nutrena Empower Balance, and Purina Enrich Plus.

A lot of feed store employees don't recognize the term ration balancer, but you can easily pick them out by the high % protein content (usually ~30%) and small quantity recommended per day (usually 1-2 lbs for a 1000 lb horse)
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I like the Triple Crown Safe Starch Forage as a complete feed - you can always add some of their low starch pellets, alfalfa pellets or sugar beet too it if you want a bit extra interest.
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