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  • Does senior feed make a horse hot
  • Does purina senior horse feed make them hot

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    12-29-2011, 08:44 AM
  #11
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Poulin grain company just sent me a sheet listing the starch and fiber counts on all their feeds. I'm sure Nutrena has something similar for the asking. Find something with lower starch maybe.

I'll send the Poulin sheet to anybody who wants it.
     
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    12-29-2011, 10:10 AM
  #12
Showing
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Originally Posted by SlideStop    
I don't believe this is her "Normal". She has slowly been gaining weight over the past 6 months and nothing has really changed about her. It's been a super sudden change in the past two weeks. It's more of the "sugar rush" gittery feeling.
In that case, I'd certainly look into changing her feed. I've got seniors but haven't used "senior feed". I have a vet who very much doesn't care for the senior mixes in general. My old guy - who will be 30 and is lacking in the teeth department, we've not even went the sr. Route. He is a hard keeper but does fantastic maintaining weight with a warm mash - it consists of 2 lbs ProAdvantage, 1 lb beet pulp, alfalfa cubes, and 1 oz. Of a concentrated 98% fat supplement twice a day and free choice timothy/orchard grass hay that I chop in a 50 gallon drum with a weedeater. The fat supplement I've used just for a couple of months to add some extra lbs on him for winter. It's done a fantastic job.

You might look into a supplement like cool calories or one that's mainly fat & no other 'hot' additives to keep her gaining.
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    12-29-2011, 11:01 AM
  #13
mls
Trained
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Originally Posted by SlideStop    
I don't believe this is her "Normal". She has slowly been gaining weight over the past 6 months and nothing has really changed about her. It's been a super sudden change in the past two weeks. It's more of the "sugar rush" gittery feeling.
If it's just been a change in the last two weeks and you have not changed her feed - I would look at something else for the reason.
     
    12-29-2011, 07:48 PM
  #14
Foal
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Originally Posted by MHFoundation Quarters    
In that case, I'd certainly look into changing her feed. I've got seniors but haven't used "senior feed". I have a vet who very much doesn't care for the senior mixes in general. My old guy - who will be 30 and is lacking in the teeth department, we've not even went the sr. Route.

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You might look into a supplement like cool calories or one that's mainly fat & no other 'hot' additives to keep her gaining.
As far as I've seen, most Senior mixes are just glorified Sweet Feeds - there's enough sugar to rot the teeth of even the sweet-toothiest kid out there. And that could explain why the OP's mare is as jittery as she is.

We have both of our hard keepers on a mix of Alfalfa pellets, soaked Beet Pulp, and SafeChoice, with our AHA gelding also getting electrolyte. But I have friends who've had amazing results from CoolCalories (Cool Calories 100 Weight Supplement | Dover Saddlery), especially in helping regain those last 25-50# and then in maintaining that weight without the horse getting really hot, and these horses were inclined to be (two OTTBs that were too scatter-brained to stay on the track, a former cutter, and a barrel bred mare from lines that are notorious for being really hot-headed).
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    12-29-2011, 08:34 PM
  #15
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It could be possible....

NSC, at 19% (13% starch and 6% sugar). For Nutrena's senior.

Couple of comments about the senior feed making peoples horses hot on Nutrena's blog

Feeding a horse with Cushing’s Syndrome | The Feed Room
     
    12-29-2011, 08:46 PM
  #16
Showing
My horse used to be on that senior feed.. we'd alter his feed by maybe 1/4 of a cup and he'd go NUTS! I switched him off of that as soon as I could to Safe Choice.. and he settled down. Then I put him on oats and whatnot because I didn't really like how little nutritional value was in that feed. He was great on oats.. but when I moved the new barn didn't want to feed oats so they started him on sweet feed and then we switched to Triple Crown Senior, and though he eats a lot of it, he is manageable on ground and under saddle and has enough energy to handle a good workout.

You just need to find what works best with your horse, which may be different from what someone else's horse works best with.

Good luck on the hunt!
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    12-31-2011, 01:03 PM
  #17
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by mls    
If it's just been a change in the last two weeks and you have not changed her feed - I would look at something else for the reason.
Sorry if you read wrong, I was implying her energy change happened just after we changed her feed. Though I have been thinking of other reasons why this could have happened. Could possibly be the weather (but its been chilly the last few months and warmer weather hasn't settled her), her feet feel better (she had a very short trim a few months ago but her feet were in good condition when we got her) and she had a "tramatic experience" in the park about 2 months ago when an autistic child ran up to her and punched her in the rump (I don't think this is it either because she isn't spooky with joggers, bikes, traffic, kids etc. Not much really phases her). Just about everything I have thought about I can logically shoot down.
     
    12-31-2011, 01:17 PM
  #18
Green Broke
Thanks walking the walk! I'm going to look into and research the ration balancer. She is outside as much as possible. I don't believe in stalling horses, well unless there is an actually need. Unfortunately the barn owner thinks horses are made of porcelain and she brings them if there is even the slightest chance of rain. Its so frustrating. But that is a hole nother issue!
     
    12-31-2011, 01:19 PM
  #19
Foal
I had the exact same problem with my 7 year old mare! I had her on senior and it made her so hot headed that she was almost impossible to work with.. on the ground and on her back. But despite her behavior it really did help put weight on her. I fed it until she was at a good weight and then I switched to Omolene 100. Once I switched her back to Purina she was back to her old, quiet self. When she was on senior though I tried to give her as much pasture time as possible to try and get her to release some her energy.
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    01-02-2012, 09:17 PM
  #20
Yearling
I have found senior feeds can make them quite hot depending on the content. If she's a picky eater you could perhaps try a different feed with molasses drizzled over it. There's generally a lot of molasses in the senior feeds which might be why she's tucking in.
     

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