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    09-23-2013, 11:37 PM
  #11
Weanling
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Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
So that's 20 lbs of hay PLUS 12 hours of grazing.
The 20 lbs of hay would be enough already.
Grazing muzzle is one possibility. Slowfeeder for the hay, less of it, ditch the hay stretcher, a handful of the Blue Seal when all the others( I assume there are others ) eat, or, maybe better, a handful of oats. Since I don't know the details( fed before pasture, hay, pellets....how? , I can't really tell you when and where to cut. But a cut is needed, definitely.
There are 11 others. They are fed first thing in the AM in their stalls, and then turned out for about 12 hours, stalled and then fed dinner. Maybe I will discuss dropping it down to 1 quart hay stretcher (down from 2) and 1 cup of pellets instead of a quart, then 1 flake 2X a day.
     
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    09-23-2013, 11:38 PM
  #12
Weanling
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Originally Posted by PunksTank    
I'm guessing the 'pellets' are Blue Seal Trotter? And Blue Seal Hay Stretcher. I would drop the hay stretcher all together - there's no need for it, he's not getting anything nutritionally from it, besides weight.
1QT of trotter, twice a day is a good amount, but maybe you want to look into some alternatives like a Ration Balancer?
I'm pretty sure it's Blue Seal Trotter and yes the hay stretcher is Blue Seal. I will look into it.
     
    09-23-2013, 11:55 PM
  #13
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Hay stretcher is nutritionally pretty useless for anything besides boosting their carbs+sugars, for gaining weight.
Trotter has a good balance of vitamins and minerals, but doesn't have everything, depending on what your hay has or may not have his diet may be off balance.

I have a seriously easy keeper, she also came to me seriously overweight - I keep her on 1 pound of Nutrena Grass Balancer, Brewer's Yeast and vitamin E. She's lost a good amount of weight on this. The way I see it - her weight comes from her hay,her nutrition from the balancer. If you get your hay/pasture tested you can find out what vitamins/minerals your horse may be lacking, supplementing only those and getting rid of processed feed as a whole.
The balancer helps take the guess work out of it though.
The Grass balancer is all vitamins and minerals with exceptionally low Sugar/Starch/Carbs - the protein looks very high, but only because you feed so little, it needs to stay an appropriate level.


That all being said, 200 pounds is a lot of extra weight - are you sure this horse isn't insulin resistant? This is an easy blood test your vet can do - if they are, you definitely want them off the Trotter and Hay Stretcher. The balancer would still work well. I'd be very concerned about founder in a horse that weight.
Do you have pictures of the horse?
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    09-24-2013, 12:02 AM
  #14
Weanling
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Originally Posted by PunksTank    
Hay stretcher is nutritionally pretty useless for anything besides boosting their carbs+sugars, for gaining weight.
Trotter has a good balance of vitamins and minerals, but doesn't have everything, depending on what your hay has or may not have his diet may be off balance.

I have a seriously easy keeper, she also came to me seriously overweight - I keep her on 1 pound of Nutrena Grass Balancer, Brewer's Yeast and vitamin E. She's lost a good amount of weight on this. The way I see it - her weight comes from her hay,her nutrition from the balancer. If you get your hay/pasture tested you can find out what vitamins/minerals your horse may be lacking, supplementing only those and getting rid of processed feed as a whole.
The balancer helps take the guess work out of it though.
The Grass balancer is all vitamins and minerals with exceptionally low Sugar/Starch/Carbs - the protein looks very high, but only because you feed so little, it needs to stay an appropriate level.


That all being said, 200 pounds is a lot of extra weight - are you sure this horse isn't insulin resistant? This is an easy blood test your vet can do - if they are, you definitely want them off the Trotter and Hay Stretcher. The balancer would still work well. I'd be very concerned about founder in a horse that weight.
Do you have pictures of the horse?
I haven't had him tested, but I know for the 3 years before I got him he was just a pasture puff. He got trail ridden occasionally, but nothing major. I have noticed that since we have been together, he has a little more energy and doesn't get as sweaty as fast.
     
    09-24-2013, 12:12 AM
  #15
Trained
Okay, now we're getting somewhere. No hay before he goes on pasture, no haystretcher, less trotter. Maybe look into slowfeeder nets, his evening 2 flakes in that net might last him through breakfast. Then he's got pasture all day, and again, only a handful of the trotter and 2 flakes of hay in the net for the night. The slowfeeder net will make him eat a little per bite, it will last longer, he won't just shove it in, because it doesn't run out so fast. He needs something in the stomach, no more than 3-4 hours without anything or you'll have to deal with ulcers.
As for exercise, trotting. Lots and lots of trotting.
A ration balancer would be ideal, actually, as others have stated. Instead of the trotter. With one lb daily he gets all the nutrients he needs.
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    09-24-2013, 07:31 AM
  #16
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I would change that hay stretcher. Been there before. I had no idea blue seal's hay stretcher was so high carb and my horses were obese chunks. High carb, lots of molasses, 1,100 calories per pound. Great product if your eventing or some such thing, not so great for pasture puffs.

The grass will be going dormant real soon, I've had 2 frosts already. Just missed a 3rd this morning.

I know your boarding so I don't know how the barn owner will be about individualizing diets. If you can get Poulin's hay stretcher it has an NSC of 6.9% and they have balanced the calcium/phosphorus ratio. Poulin seems to have a lot of really high fiber, low starch feeds. I suspect one of the family members must have a pasture porker.

Trotter is a nice feed. I used it for years. It's fairly low carb being half hay itself. I couldn't feed little enough to my pony though and had to change.

Blue Seal's ration balancer is Winning Touch, Sunshine Plus
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    09-25-2013, 12:46 PM
  #17
Green Broke
I agree with the others. Swap out all pelleted feed for a ration balancer at ~1 lb per day (exact amount depends on your horse's ideal weight, workload, and the brand of the product), then give ~10 lbs of hay in a slow feeder net when he's in his stall.
     

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