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    09-25-2012, 01:35 PM
  #31
Green Broke
I've never read anything negative about the daily dewormers (Strongid C 2X and similar). If you have any articles about it, though, I'd love to read them and pass them along to my vet.
     
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    09-25-2012, 01:45 PM
  #32
Trained
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Originally Posted by verona1016    
I've never read anything negative about the daily dewormers (Strongid C 2X and similar). If you have any articles about it, though, I'd love to read them and pass them along to my vet.
There are several articles about resistance to de-wormers. It's been a problem for a long time. The new protocols for de-worming are to get fecal samples and have the vet look at what's in there and to tell you what de-wormer to use specific to the findings. Or if nothing significant is found, to tell you not to de-worm your horse.
     
    09-25-2012, 02:32 PM
  #33
Trained
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Originally Posted by verona1016    
I've never read anything negative about the daily dewormers (Strongid C 2X and similar). If you have any articles about it, though, I'd love to read them and pass them along to my vet.
here we go
The Horse | Drug Resistance from Daily Dewormers

And

Equine Chronicle Merial Urges Horse Industry to Rethink Traditional Daily Deworming Practices
     
    09-25-2012, 03:03 PM
  #34
Trained
I didn't bother past page 1 of the posts. Stop counting flakes with this mare. My 1,100 lb mare (who has raised 4 foals) gets 3 flakes/feeding (winter) (6 flakes/day/winter.)
Stall her and keep giving her flakes every feeding until she starts leaving them. She might be needing a 12-flake, 65 pound bale of hay every day. We don't know about your pasture bc we can't see/test the nutrients on it, so assume she's getting little nutrition from it, even if your other horses are doing fine. THEY are not eating for two!!
Plus, fescue isn't good for pregnant mares and we know that fescue is the first "weed" that replaces more tender grasses that have been grazed dead, and the pasture probably has it. MY horses only graze on fescue when everything else is chopped down. I even considered building some chicken tractors to use them to graze the fescue in my pastures. Look for the threads I've started if you want to see my horse's weight.
You haven't owned her long enough to know if she is an easy or a hard keeper, but I can see her aborting this foal if she is a hard keeper and her body has to choose between the two.
Sorry, but I've seen too many nursing mares start looking like skin and bones. She needs to get through the birth and the nursing. It is a LOT easier for a horse to lose weight quickly, and they only gain weight slowly. Hopefully, you can get her to maintain and start gaining just a little bit of topline. My previous Vet--too far away since I moved--told me that some of his breeding clients would feed up to 20 pounds of supplemental grain to their broodmares in their last months (1980's version of supplements.) Whatever the Veterinary recommendations today, its' STILL a LOT of calories. He was a also a breeder--SB's.
I took in a pregnant cat who had 7 kittens July 19th. I feed HER lots of calories--kept the food bowl full at all times--cat food, eggs, the occasional can of tuna fish, but even she got a little bit bony until her kittens went on solid food. (This is a stray who had 3 kittens in early April, too.)
Just HAD to comment. Hope she does okay, though.
     
    09-25-2012, 03:15 PM
  #35
Trained
Right!!!
Regarding calories:
A 1000lbs horse in flesh needs 70MJ/day in energy JUST for maintenance.
A lactating mare in the first three months needs 150MJ
With all the hay she can eat that amounts to more or less 50MJ(grass hay), the rest has to be fats, some carbs and good protein.
As you can see, having a baby is very demanding so she needs to gain NOW!
     
    09-26-2012, 03:13 PM
  #36
Green Broke
Thanks for the articles- Luckily, my horse keeps coming up with clean FEC's so I haven't put him on a daily dewormer, but I thought about it for a while there. I'll be having a conversation with my vet next time I see her!
     
    09-26-2012, 03:26 PM
  #37
Trained

You're welcome.
What I did, having the same large paddock for my herd and the same stalls and cleaning both myself, was deworm with Equimax or Zimecterin Gold after the first frost. To get bots and tapeworm. Other than that, nothing. Tests were always clean.
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