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    03-02-2011, 06:25 PM
  #11
Yearling
Have you had the vet out to check on her? Even if there isn't anything wrong, it's good to check. Our vet recommended Senior Feed (we use Tiz Wiz), with some salt, and oil.
     
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    03-02-2011, 07:33 PM
  #12
Started
K NO ALFALFA then I have one that trips out on it as well... mine gets aggressive and hyper active

Might Try the Life Design Senior and the Rice Bran but make sure whatever rice bran youget is fortified and stabilized :)

Let me go and check out Nutrena's other feeds
     
    03-02-2011, 11:09 PM
  #13
Weanling
If alfalfa doesn't work for her you might want to try a high quality grass hay. We have some grass hays around here that are very green. Not sure what you have in your area but clover is a high protein hay similar to alfalfa. Bluegrass and orchard grass can be very high energy hay also.

By high quality I mean more green and higher energy than some of the other hays. Normally people should feed lower energy hay so horses can eat more of it and stay full, but some horses just won't eat enough to keep weight on that way so need higher energy hay.
     
    03-02-2011, 11:39 PM
  #14
Green Broke
Huh..that's odd..I love the stuff..but your obviously trying really hard and somethings just don't work for a horse..

The beet pulp is great stuff too.. I haven't seen a horse ever that is hasn't improved their weight on beet pulp (plus their normal feed) ..It will probably depend on how much you give her too, so that's up to you..Like gottatrot said..her matebolism might just be fast..

Rice bran oil is pretty good..Any oil with alot of Omega 3's..not so much Omega 6's..lol fish oil is really good for horses..strange? Yes..

I hope things work out for you and you find what works for her!
     
    03-02-2011, 11:41 PM
  #15
Yearling
I put mine on straight alfalfa. He has a corner feeder in his stall and we pour the whole bag In there. He's gained probably 100+ pounds!
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    03-02-2011, 11:47 PM
  #16
Green Broke
Huh..that's odd..I love the stuff..but your obviously trying really hard and somethings just don't work for a horse..

The beet pulp is great stuff too.. I haven't seen a horse ever that is hasn't improved their weight on beet pulp (plus their normal feed) ..It will probably depend on how much you give her too, so that's up to you..Like gottatrot said..her matebolism might just be fast..

Rice bran oil is pretty good ( I used the Dumor kind from Tractor Supply CO...Any oil with alot of Omega 3's..not so much Omega 6's..lol fish oil is really good for horses..strange? Yes..

And..I really like the Nutrena Life Design Senior feed, my gelding gets it and he is 21.. he is FAT! He doesn't get much feed but does get free choice hay and all of our horses have free choice minerals in the pastures..


I hope things work out for you and you find what works for her!
     
    03-03-2011, 08:41 AM
  #17
Weanling
Do you know the quality of the Bahia rd bale you are feeding? Many of the warm season grass hays are nearly cardboard if they get too mature. You could easily have a pretty green bale with a rfv of 68 and a ndf of 80. Horse could eat 50lbs of it a day and loose weight. Supplement xyz and additive pqs and horse feed abc won't do anything for the animal if 90% of the "feed" he is eating is cardboard. Know the quality of the hay.
     
    03-05-2011, 01:22 AM
  #18
Foal
My weight gain/hard keeper checklist:

1. teeth floated/wormed recently
2. In addition to quality hay, clean water, a great probiotic.

Copy pasted from the thread asking about probiotics: Having good microbes in the hindgut cannot be underestimated - most equine feeds do not meet the needs of the protozoa in the hindgut. So you have to put them there - which happens by feeding your horse pre-and pro biotics that help them grow and do the work they need to do - which is to break down the food the horse is already eating and get the maximum nutrients out of it. They also help work against gas colic and impactions, by helping to break down the food a horse is eating and not allowing it to get stuck and having gas back up behind it.

Improved digestive efficiency = better weight management, stronger immune systems, better coat, better hooves, better health, better feed efficiency. Besides feeding good quality hay and clean water, imo, it's pretty much the third most important thing you can do for your horse.

3. A nutritionally balanced multivitamin/mineral supplement with chelated minerals (chelated minerals = bound with amino acids so the horse can actually absorb them in the intestine, not the inorganic rock form (oxides, sulfates) that they only absorb small amounts of) plus available free choice minerals (NOT a brown salt block)

4. A clean plain grain (oats/barley/cracked corn mix is good, or for horses that can't have grain/carbs (either too high energy or carb intolerant) I like dynamite's he's or Chia for additional calories as needed.

Or you can merge steps 4 and 5 by feeding a high quality fortified feed, though IMO those are harder to come by - but that is what I do. My favorite, which I feed my horse, is TNT by Dynamite.

5. After all of that - if you are still having weight gain problems, which I doubt you will, and you're feeding the max amount of hay your horse will eat, and you've ruled out internal issues like ulcers, then you can up your concentrated feed/grain source a bit. For an otherwise healthy horse, that should do it though!
     
    03-05-2011, 10:26 AM
  #19
Started
Grass I agree with everything until #4 most horses don't need grain for extra calories it is just as easy to use hay pellets or rice bran and much healthier for the horse too
     
    03-05-2011, 11:25 AM
  #20
Foal
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Originally Posted by Peggysue    
grass I agree with everything until #4 most horses don't need grain for extra calories it is just as easy to use hay pellets or rice bran and much healthier for the horse too

PeggySue - I actually agree with you more than you realize. I saw your post about Ration Balancers, and unless I misunderstood, I realize now that's essentially what I do and believe in. I wasn't really aware of the existence of using a different term to differentiate. I actually very much appreciate being able to make that distinction now.

Based the first three points, good quality hay, great multivitamin/mineral supplement, + high quality pre/probiotic, any 'grain' that is needed would be such a small amount that it is not tough on the horse's system - or one would use a "ration balancer" either unfortified or fortified (which would then replace the vite/min supp), that contains no grain at all. Some horses do fine on a barley/corn/oats mix for some extra calories (but I'm talking more like 1- 2 pounds at the most, not 6-10 - because I agree they are not digestively or metabolically made to eat huge volumes of grain) - but for many as you said its better to use hay pellets or a concentrated ration balancer that does not include grain as it's easier to digest, makes them less 'hot', better for Cushings/potential IR horses, etc.

On another note, I don't like rice bran though. I realize that it's a really popular go to for a lot of people. But I've heard it's one of the most heavily chemicalized crops, and if you think about it, all those chemicals land straight on the hull....so unless you're getting it organic, imo it's just too much pesticide. I used to use it to keep weight on my horse, a few pounds a day. Now he gets just a cup and a third of a great natural concentrated 'ration balancer' fortified with vitamins and minerals to work with his mostly grass hay diet, using whole expelled organic soybeans as the first ingredient (handy to know that term now - as opposed to the blanket statement of fortified feed) and no chemicals. He's in better overall weight, shine, and condition than back in the days when I boosted with rice bran. For what that's worth.

I've become very fascinated with Chia as a concentrated calorie source as well as having as many Omega 3s as flax. The Aztecs made clothes out of flax, and ate chia.
     

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