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        03-05-2011, 10:32 AM
      #21
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    You are confused still
    A ration balancer is a vitamin/mineral supplement with added amino acids so there is no need to add anything but joint supplements with them they are not calories and are designed to be fed at 1lb a day

    Corn is the worst of all feed stuffs to feed your horse and IMO has no business being fed to any horse period. Barley isn't as bad and oats are the best of the grains

    I am not into the all natural stuff alot of people are the chemicals don't bother me "as much" they have been researched to death and are mainly used to perserve the feed. If you use fly spray you are using chemicals that are pretty harsh
         
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        03-05-2011, 10:42 AM
      #22
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Peggysue    
    you are confused still
    A ration balancer is a vitamin/mineral supplement with added amino acids so there is no need to add anything but joint supplements with them they are not calories and are designed to be fed at 1lb a day

    Corn is the worst of all feed stuffs to feed your horse and IMO has no business being fed to any horse period. Barley isn't as bad and oats are the best of the grains

    I am not into the all natural stuff alot of people are the chemicals don't bother me "as much" they have been researched to death and are mainly used to perserve the feed. If you use fly spray you are using chemicals that are pretty harsh

    I don't use fly spray either

    BUT....how can you say the ration balancers aren't calories? At a pound a day they must be around 1500 calories - ie the equivalent of almost two extra flakes of hay per day. Granted - they are so balanced nutritionally and protein wise they give the horse what they need to keep their bodies fit. But there still has to be quite a few calories as well.

    Dynamite's TNT does have the added amino acids (methionene and lysine etc), and a complete vite/min profile - but it's super super highly concentrated which is why he stays in great weight on 5 flakes of grass hay per day and just 1and1/3 cup (=1/2 pound) of his ration balancer (he's a 16.2 Oldenburg hunter, around 1300lbs).

    Tell me more about this hatred of corn. I've actually heard that oats are bad in large amounts for some horses because they produce Avenin in the system - curious to learn more about the downside of whatever corn would be contained in a pound or two of oats/barley/corn grain mix. (aside from the whole GMO thing but seems like that's not your issue).
         
        03-05-2011, 11:20 AM
      #23
    Weanling
    Not to butt in, but I also have heard that corn is higher in starch than many grains and also hard for horses to digest. Not that you would be harming a horse by giving them corn (unless they were Cushing's), but in my mind there are better substitutes I would rather feed.

    Grass: as far as I can tell, although what you say is true for most horses, a truly hard keeper may need pounds of added food in addition to hay, vitamins, and probiotics. And as you said, too much grain is risking colic and other problems. So complete or senior feed is a good alternative.

    I used to feed COB in small amounts to horses that were not hard keepers. They were always healthy and a good weight on just a little grain with vitamins as long as they had enough good hay. But if the OP's horse is like mine, you just can't get her to eat enough hay. Hay pellets are not any more attractive to her, and she dislikes beet pulp wet or dry. So for her, senior feed is the answer since you can feed it in large amounts to supplement the hay calories. I also love feeding corn oil as it is easily digestible and adds easy calories.
         
        03-05-2011, 03:32 PM
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    Grass my base is hay then ration balancer about 1100 calories I don't see it as "added" calories LOL because it is needed for mine it is just... there

    My horses would die wihtout fly spray
         

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