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    01-27-2013, 12:42 PM
Question Stomach Ulcers?

Hi guys,
I read a post on here about someone who's having a problem with a newly purchased horse. A lot of people are suggesting stomach ulcers, and there's a video mentioned a lot on the topic on palpating certain areas where ulcers could be present (and if so, the horse will show that they are uncomfortable)

I noticed recently that my mare is touchy in these places exactly.
(I used to have a mare that liked her tummy and armpits tickled - but as soon as I did this when I got my other mare, she was very uncomfortable - at the time I thought she was just ticklish and thought no more of it)

She's also twitches on her withers/shoulder blades, even though I had the physio in September (he sorted her out completely and was happy to come out again in 6 months) but I was going to ring him about the twitchy withers and get him out sooner. He also checked her tack at the time, which was fine, and I've barely ridden due to bad weather anyway.

Along with this, she's very cinchy, even with rugging up.

I have her on a high sugar diet, as she's a tb and I'm super paranoid about her losing weight. But in the video, the guy says that she should have no sugar in her diet! So, now I'm bummed out, because I'm convinced she has ulcers, but I'm also worried if I take her off all sugary food, what do I give her to keep her weight up!? I guess it'd have to be a high fat diet rather than sugar.

Please can somebody tell me:
-What is the best thing to give her for ulcers (things like "ulcer-gard" Etc)?
-What shall I swap her feed to containing little sugar?

She's on hay not haylage, which I suppose is good, but the rest of her diet is a quite sugary (just because I'm super paranoid about weight loss. She hasn't lost weight, in fact, she was race fit when I got her, I think she's just starting to get to a nice riding horse weight, although I'm hoping to get her a little more muscled up in summer)
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    01-27-2013, 01:59 PM
She needs to be taken off the sugar grain, what exactly is the brand of feed you are giving her?

You can probably slowly introduce her to alfalfa or soaked alfalfa cubes, those will help her with ulcers, but you are going to need ulcer guard or something similar to heal the ones she has, usually need a vet prescription for that, it can be expensive but I know there are other options too. Best bet is to talk to a good vet.

The more forage the better, she doesn't need all that sugary grain to maintain weight, maybe even switch her to a senior feed.
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    01-27-2013, 02:01 PM
You can also add rice bran, instead of the sugary grain, but for now I would nix all the high sugar grain, put on all the hay she wants, some alfalfa, and g.u.t. Is also a good supplement for ulcers.
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    01-27-2013, 02:19 PM
Thanks for your input

She's currently on Bailey's no.17 (topline mix), supa-beet and calm and condition - it's just because my old OTTB mare lost weight dramatically, and these are what the feed shop assistant suggested, in hind sight, I should have looked into it more, but anyway, this is what I've kept them on, as I thought it was the right thing)

I've heard that a lot of OTTBs get ulcers, so I'm convinced she has them, which won't be helped with what I'm feeding her. She's on 24/7 turnout with ad-lib hay (and access to shelter). She has a feed in the morning and the evening.

What exactly will the alfalfa cubes do? Is it just roughage? Because I would like to put her on something complete, even if I have to add an additional supplement. Also, what brands Etc (I'm in the UK, and I think, on the whole, people are more traditional "Hot bran mash in winter" and all that and I don't think we look as closely at nutrition as you guys across the pond - I know some people over here are very dedicated, it's difficult to get some sound advice)
    01-27-2013, 02:21 PM
By the way, after the bad year we've had, the hay isn't a particularly good quality, so is more just to keep their tummies going, I don't think it adds a lot nutritionally.

What makes you suggest the senior feed (just curious)?
    01-27-2013, 02:35 PM
Most senior feeds are lower is starch and sugar, an easily digestible for most all horses even if they are not old but over age five is suggested, I have read, but it can help keep weight on.
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    01-27-2013, 02:41 PM
Alfalfa cubes have a lot of nutrition calcium
And protein and its a forage which is good, horses can get fat and some hot on alfalfa so you want to add it slowly and then maintain a certain amount or decrease if needed. Alfalfa will definitely help her gain weight but it also buffers the acid in the stomach so it is helpful for ulcers
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    01-27-2013, 02:49 PM
Brilliant, thank you ever so much! And I think Velvet will be thank you too
    01-27-2013, 02:57 PM
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If you can afford it, SmartPaks seem to work really well for everyone that I've spoken to when it comes to ulcers. I'd have her scoped though, if you can, to see what KIND of uclers and exactly WHERE they are so that you know exactly how to treat it :) one of our mares had hind gut ulcers, another had stomach ulcers. It is fairly common in TBs unfortunately, but they can be fixed with good nutrition, lots of free exercise, and good forage. I know forage is hard to get in good quality right now, but alfalfa is a great buffer (or atleast that's what I've been told) and can really help sooth them. Slippery Elm bark and Aloe are great natural aids as well, and we use that for four of our ulcer prone horses as well as our foster filly who I believe probably has ulcers (being scoped this week.)
    01-27-2013, 03:05 PM
Thanks guys Endiku, I don't think I can access Smartpak in the uk :/ I'm just stumped now, as there are so many brands haha I'll have to sieve through all of them for contents Etc! Never mind, it'll be worth it in the end

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