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    01-13-2013, 01:42 AM
Onefasthorse what do you think of nutrena? I like the fact that the prices are reasonable and they have "controlled starch" as well as added prebiotics and probiotics. I was looking at the safechoice or the "boost" rice bran. What are your thoughts?
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    01-13-2013, 01:56 AM
Since you didn't ask me ill answer anyway
Be careful with the normal Safe Choice. It still has 22% NSC. The safe choice special care is low, 15%, so would be the better choice. But for weight gain you would have to feed a lot. Or add some kind of oil, since it's low calorie.
Can you get Omegatin? It's flax(for the omega fatty acids) and ricebran, and is fed in smaller amounts, a cup a day.
    01-13-2013, 02:17 AM
Thank you deserthorsewoman I appreciate your answer lol I haven't seen omegatin however I have him on cocosoya oil and U-gard. Equipride as well....which he hates but it is included here at the barn. We have mannapro rice bran as well. What if I keep him on the cocosoya oil, u-gard, equipride, beet pulp and get some alfalfa cubes or pellets? Then can I cut out grain all together? Wow this is incredibly complicated lol....I need all the help I can get my other horse didn't even need grain lol. Thank you
    01-13-2013, 02:32 AM
Ricebran, like I said, get the granules, they mix better and are much cheaper, alfalfa pellets to soak, pellets soak faster than cubes, cocosoya I heard only good things, but haven't tried myself. Do you have a Tractor Supply near? If so, they carry the Omegatin, but also the Omega Horseshine, which I personally prefer over the Omegatin. No need to double up on the ricebran either. Then add a vit/min supplement and you're good to go. Grain free and low in sugars
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    01-13-2013, 01:18 PM
Rice bran powder is a pain to feed. I know from experience. Its hard to get them to eat enough in the powder form. Mine wouldn't touch it.

Safe Choice is about 15% NSC. If it were me, I'd go lower than that while healing the ulcers. I have already stated what *I* would put the horse on and that is:

1-2lb Purina Enrich 32 (since that's the brand you can get easily)
2-3 lbs alfalfa pellets
Free choice hay

If you need more calories, then add more alf pellets and/or rice bran pellets or beet pulp.

I have used cocosoya oil for years, but at this point I would stay away from oils bc of the ulcers. If you use a low NSC RB, then there is no need to supplement with extra min/vit supplement. It will take some time on your part, but the ulcers will heal if you follow protocol. It takes 2-3 months of controlled diet and ranitidine treatment (zantac) to heal them up.
    01-13-2013, 01:57 PM
Per manufacturer, Safe Choice is 22.8% NSC, Safe Choice Special Care is 15% NSC.

I also never had a problem with rice bran granules in soaked alfalfa. But, ricebran also is around 20% NSC, so the alfalfa is the better choice for gain.
As per your friend Sarah on another thread, treating stomach ulcers with meds, " just in case" could backfire and create hind gut ulcers.
IMO, once treated, prevention is key. Free choice hay, no grain , low NSC and alfalfa as buffer for the acids will be enough. No U-gard needed then.
    01-13-2013, 03:02 PM
Lots of good info! So basically anything under 15% starch is ok? What about equipride it's a supplement for digestion is that high in starch. Thank so much you guys! This is very very helpful I don't wan't to overdue it on anything and give him more troubles.
    01-13-2013, 03:45 PM
Yeah. To calculate: lbs of hay x NSC +lbs of additives x NSC : lbs all together = total NSC
Grass hay: 13.8% NSC, grain hays: 22% NSC, alfalfa: 9.3% NSC
The other stuff I posted already, the Omega Horseshine is 4.4% NSC, has yeast for digestion, is anti- inflammatory, helps with skin issues(allergies) and puts one heck of a shine on. AND provides a heap of calories.

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