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    04-07-2013, 08:55 AM
  #11
Showing
Hoofprints, if your horse is over 5yr. Feed Senior pellets as it contains beet pulp and extra oils. When fed a 2 lbs 2x daily your will notice a difference in about 30 days.
     
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    04-07-2013, 11:05 AM
  #12
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I feed 4 horses as well, all of them get something special added to their feed. It really doesn't bother me to grind the feed. It only takes about 30 seconds. And they only get it once a day. I too looked at TSC the Omega Shine and Dumore. The bag always looked like it had been sitting there forever. For those who do not know, ground flax seed loses it nutrient value after it is ground unless it is stabilized. After doing my due diligence, I decided to not take a chance and grind my own. Whole seed has a shelf life of 1+ years dependent on the storage method. The seed from Honeyville is food grade for human consumption seed. In case you don't know, animal supplements are NOT held to the same standard as those meant for human consumption. There actually is NO standard set that even states that what is said to be in a supplement actually has to be there.
To the OP I would stick to either a food grade addition or a single ingredient one. In other words, find out what will help your horse and add either the oil or the seed not a supplement that has multiple possible ingredients. Try to stay on a natural path if you can. Check for a NASC seal for quality ingredients.
Just FYI good article on animal grade supplements Seal of approval for animal supplements - DVM
I am a juicer and my horses get the pulp from my juiced beets, carrots, apples and any other fruits or vegetables I'm having daily.
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    04-07-2013, 11:13 AM
  #13
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Originally Posted by Vidaloco    
I feed 4 horses as well, all of them get something special added to their feed. It really doesn't bother me to grind the feed. It only takes about 30 seconds. And they only get it once a day. I too looked at TSC the Omega Shine and Dumore. The bag always looked like it had been sitting there forever. For those who do not know, ground flax seed loses it nutrient value after it is ground unless it is stabilized. After doing my due diligence, I decided to not take a chance and grind my own. Whole seed has a shelf life of 1+ years dependent on the storage method. The seed from Honeyville is food grade for human consumption seed. In case you don't know, animal supplements are NOT held to the same standard as those meant for human consumption. There actually is NO standard set that even states that what is said to be in a supplement actually has to be there.
To the OP I would stick to either a food grade addition or a single ingredient one. In other words, find out what will help your horse and add either the oil or the seed not a supplement that has multiple possible ingredients. Try to stay on a natural path if you can. Check for a NASC seal for quality ingredients.
Just FYI good article on animal grade supplements Seal of approval for animal supplements - DVM
Great advice! I have to buy arthritis meds for my two mid-20's fellas. I buy "MedVet Pharmaceutical" products for the very reason they carry the "NASC" quality sticker.

Feeding has gotten to be a nutritional sticky wickett in our modern time.

Never in my wildest, did I think I would ever be splitting hairs as to what/how much to feed and learning how to read lot numbers and that secret date coding, if there's not "use by" date on the bag.

I liked things a lot better, BC (before Coggins), when I threw a handful of home grown oats at my horses, just to keep them coming up to the barn twice a day. They were on 100 acres, that included 10 acres of woods, so it was easy to "temporarily misplace them" <sigh>
     
    04-07-2013, 11:21 AM
  #14
Yearling
I think it is all in what your horse prefers. I feed corn oil when my horses are working regularly - but my horses also get a wide variety of stuff to eat from free choice grass, hay and grain (depending on what they need - the diet is always different depending on the work involved) - but as it is with any added supplement (vitamin, mineral or otherwise), you've got to do your homework to make sure you are keeping stuff in balance - corn oil can cause inflammatory responses in horses fed just hay and grain b/c it throws the omegas out of balance - but that isn't a problem if you take the time to figure out what it is your horse actually eats and just balance it out - there is no perfect oil out there - so you have to read your feed tag and compare it to the oil you choose and you'll be fine - no problems.
     
    04-07-2013, 11:26 AM
  #15
Trained
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Originally Posted by walkinthewalk    
I was going to stay out of this but

While Tractor Supply has their own brand of "Omega-3 Horseshine that is a lot cheaper, I buy Omega-3 Horseshine made by Omega Fields.

TSC does sell it but their stocking philosophy (from corporate) is they only re-stock what they sell. Meaning if one bag of something is all that gets sold in a month, that's all that will be on the delivery truck the next month unless the customer requests to have more put on the truck. <---believe me that doesn't work half the time

Anyway, I pay $39.00/20 lb bag of Omega-3 Horseshine and have just started buying it from the hometown feed store, whom I would much rather give my $$$ to anyway

I feed it to three horses daily and a 20 lb bag lasts me five weeks. Both the vet and the Trimmers comment on the great condition my horses hooves are in.

Five weeks equals .875 cent per day for three horses. That is .29 cents per day per horse.

I don't have to go on the hunt for a 50# bag of flax that might be bad because it's sat in the back of the feed store for months on end, and I don't have to waste time grinding seeds.

If I may use "Vidaloco's" numbers, please

$72.48 for a 50# bag. Vida uses 1/3 cup ground daily, I use 1/2 cup daily.

Using my numbers that 1/2 cup per horse equals 1-1/2 cups daily and costs me .875 cents per day, that means a 50 lb bag of Vida's flax seed should last me around 12.5 weeks?

That comes out to .173 cent daily for me to feed three horses. That means Vida saves ~.12 cents daily or $3.60/monthly to feed flax that has to be ordered in, then the time taken to grind it up in a grinder.

I have four horses and two have metabolic issues plus arthritis, and one of them foundered last year so he still requires some special care, on my part, in-between trimmer visits.

My math, even with a calculator is bad so I may have screwed this up royally, but my time is worth a lot more than $3.60/mo.

Not to mention, I would have to have the flax shipped to Mr. WTW's place of work. Our house sits more than 500' off the road, therefore the gate down by the road is always locked. UPS doesn't tell anyone when they're going to deliver - for me saving $3.60/mo is just not worth the hassle

I am issuing a mathmatical disclaimer - I may need corrected on my calculations because I really am math stupid --- that made my Master Machinist father very happy - right
I think your math is off...
I'm paying, after a hefty price raise in the omega horseshine, 47$ for 20 lbs at TSC( way more un the omega fields website, 57, I believe).
Ration per horse 1 cup, I measured, its 4 oz. 20lbs=80 servings, 59 cents per serving.
The foodgrade flax mentioned above comes out to 35 cents per serving.
Feed grade flax, like what I'm getting, 31$/50lbs comes to 16 cents per serving..
So, the difference between the omega horseshine and the foodgrade flax for three horses is 21$/month( I'm leaving "my" flax out if it)

I do wholeheartedly agree that the omega horseshine produces GREAT results, I was always happy with it. I will decide if I stick with straight flax or go back to the horseshine, when the bag is empty.
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    04-07-2013, 12:36 PM
  #16
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^^^My math probably is off - and I did that twice on the calculator; I probably managed to find a way to do that backward

I do pay $39.99 for a 20/lb bag of Omega-3 Horseshine by Omega Fields - for now anyway. I can't believe I paid $21.99/20 lb bag in 2004 and it's nearly doubled in price, on today's market

I pay $18 and change for a 50 lb bag of Standlees timothy/alfalfa cubes at TSC. How does that compare to your Tractor Supply?
     
    04-07-2013, 01:29 PM
  #17
Trained
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Originally Posted by walkinthewalk    
^^^My math probably is off - and I did that twice on the calculator; I probably managed to find a way to do that backward

I do pay $39.99 for a 20/lb bag of Omega-3 Horseshine by Omega Fields - for now anyway. I can't believe I paid $21.99/20 lb bag in 2004 and it's nearly doubled in price, on today's market

I pay $18 and change for a 50 lb bag of Standlees timothy/alfalfa cubes at TSC. How does that compare to your Tractor Supply?
Omega Horseshine is 47.99, up 8$
The standlee pellets are 14.49$
I was wondering, TSC changed their website, now you have to give your zip code to see prices. I couldn't figure out why. Now I know...different prices in different areas.....hmmm
     
    04-07-2013, 01:51 PM
  #18
Yearling
Yes - I've seen that too - the different pricing. When we need to load up on several thousand feet of fencing, we go to the TSC 30 miles from here instead of the one in town b/c it is cheaper - and there's a great Mexican food restaurant out that way so it makes the trip worth it...
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    04-07-2013, 01:51 PM
  #19
Green Broke
Thanks everyone (except Joe4d) for the helpful advice! :)
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    04-07-2013, 01:55 PM
  #20
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by clippityclop    
I think it is all in what your horse prefers. I feed corn oil when my horses are working regularly - but my horses also get a wide variety of stuff to eat from free choice grass, hay and grain (depending on what they need - the diet is always different depending on the work involved) - but as it is with any added supplement (vitamin, mineral or otherwise), you've got to do your homework to make sure you are keeping stuff in balance - corn oil can cause inflammatory responses in horses fed just hay and grain b/c it throws the omegas out of balance - but that isn't a problem if you take the time to figure out what it is your horse actually eats and just balance it out - there is no perfect oil out there - so you have to read your feed tag and compare it to the oil you choose and you'll be fine - no problems.
Agreed - and from what I've read the inflammation is negligible and like you said can easily be balanced. My mare is on grain and high quality (my BO has every shipment tested for nutritional stats) grass hay, and since spring is (finally) here fresh grass will be getting slowly introduced here pretty soon too! :)
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