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  • What happens if you switch grain on your horse
  • My horse gets mean when i feed him grain

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    02-07-2012, 01:20 PM
  #21
Trained
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Originally Posted by xxGallopxx    
Anabel, I'm not saying those things because I disagree with her. I'm saying them because I'm NOT feeding him grain for fun, and I'm not feeding it to experiment. She called me a child and said I'm going to hurt my horse, and said that I'm experimenting with him in a dangerous way, and I'm not!
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Originally Posted by xxGallopxx    
I wanted to experiment with ONE kind of grain. And, I'm not treating him like a lab rat AT ALL. Since when was it not safe to switch grains and see if your horse did better, worse, or no change at all? Last time I checked, people do that all the time. It can be dangerous, but as long as you try things slowly and with patience it's perfectly safe.

Ok... You also never stated the horse was underweight. In the OP you said he is a "fairly easy keeper" and you ride him 2-4 times a month.

As has also been stated, if if ain't broke don't fix it. 99% of horses in your horse's situation do not need grain, and feeding it to them will lead to obesity and related issues. If he is underweight, upping the hay is going to be a way healthier way to address that than adding stratchy grains to his diet. If more hay is not available, then the addition of a ration balancer would be OK.
     
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    02-07-2012, 01:21 PM
  #22
Super Moderator
Stepping away from the computer when you are angry is a very good idea. It would be even better if you did it before posting angry replies that you then have to go back and re address later.

You were given consistently good advice. You , yourself used the word "experiment" in your OP, so it's not surprising that others would look at this venture as a frivolous and possibly dangerous experiment on your horse.
     
    02-07-2012, 01:26 PM
  #23
Weanling
Mls, I'd like some more info on that please. Could you give me a link to a page that has info on it or something? Anabel, what I mean by 'not feeding it to experiment' and 'wanting to experiment' with one kind of grain is that I'm not feeding grain in general to see what happens. I want to switch grains to see if he does better on a different kind because I feel like he's lacking something with the Purina Strategy. And he's only getting ridden 2-4 times a month RIGHT NOW. He gets ridden 5+ times a week in the spring, summer, and fall. My trainer had me put him on grain in the first place because she said it would give him some 'roughage' (which I disagree on because hay gives them roughage.) I was thinking about switching him over to just beet pulp, but some posters said it wouldn't give him the nutrients he needed whereas grain would. I said in one of my comments that he was a tad underweight, you probably just missed it.
     
    02-07-2012, 01:26 PM
  #24
Weanling
My mare was very underweight when I first got her too. I also fed her grain because she needed it. Threw in some corn oil too. But if he is putting the weight on now then his system and body is reacting well to it. So he is thanking you! You probably already know that it takes awhile to really be able to see the difference.

When the time came and her weight was good, I was thrilled to be able to take the grain away. She wasn't so happy and still looks at me with that look that says, "Aren't you going to feed me today?"
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    02-07-2012, 01:30 PM
  #25
Weanling
He's actually not gaining or losing right now. I would have him on JUST beet pulp because that really helped, but lots of people said it lacks the nutrients he needs. Even though he gets plenty of hay per day, and a mineral block that he LOVES. I was planning on cutting him back to little or no grain when I started giving him free choice hay.
     
    02-07-2012, 01:35 PM
  #26
Trained
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Originally Posted by xxGallopxx    
mls, I'd like some more info on that please. Could you give me a link to a page that has info on it or something? Anabel, what I mean by 'not feeding it to experiment' and 'wanting to experiment' with one kind of grain is that I'm not feeding grain in general to see what happens. I want to switch grains to see if he does better on a different kind because I feel like he's lacking something with the Purina Strategy. And he's only getting ridden 2-4 times a month RIGHT NOW. He gets ridden 5+ times a week in the spring, summer, and fall. My trainer had me put him on grain in the first place because she said it would give him some 'roughage' (which I disagree on because hay gives them roughage.) I was thinking about switching him over to just beet pulp, but some posters said it wouldn't give him the nutrients he needed whereas grain would. I said in one of my comments that he was a tad underweight, you probably just missed it.
Bolded statements are directly contradictory.

Yes, so RIGHT NOW his nutritional needs are that of a horse being ridden 2-4 times monthly, not that of a horse being ridden 5 times a week.
I have read all your posts and have not seen where it was mentioned the horse is skinny, only that he is an easy keeper. Mind you I may have skimmed some of them.
So your trainer wanted the horse on grain, and you didn't, and now you want to put him on more, different grain?? Ok...

Grains have a lower nutritional value for horses than beet pulp or rice bran. The only thing really with "nutritional value" is a vitamin and mineral supplement, which can be fed loose. Grains, generally, are too high in sugar and starch for horses not in hard work. Ideally a horse doing what your horse is doing currently would need hay, loose mineral and water. If he is not sustaining himself on that, then add hay, or a ration balancer, like beet pulp.

What makes you feel like he's "not getting enough" from his grain now that you want to change it? 2lbs is a small amount and he will be getting most of his nutrition from the 20lbs+ of hay he should be getting daily.
     
    02-07-2012, 01:39 PM
  #27
Green Broke
Ohh ok..See you never said he was a little underweight. I just read that he was doing well on his current feed and you wanted to change things up. That's why I said if he current feed is working just fine then leave it at that...It's a complete different subject if he is a little under weight and you're wanting to add a little to get him to gain weight..Like I said, I never meant any of my posts to be mean or rude to you..Things can be read very wrong over the internet...

Anyway..I also use Safe Choice as a base feed. It's good stuff and all of my horses do well on it as a base feed. You should definitely check into that and even talk to the people at your feed store. They can tell you a good bit about the different feeds and what you could try, or call your vet. The Strategy is a good feed for some horses but I also mix it with an all grain for one of my barrel horses..and while that may work for my mare, that doesn't really mean it will work for you..It all depends on the horse...Other simple ideas for adding weight are Omega 3 oils, like corn oil or rice bran oil, of course beet pulp, I also like to soak alfalfa cubes and mix it in my mare's feed when I want to boost her weight up a little..

Info on Safe Choice
http://www.nutrenaworld.com/nutrena/...oice/index.jsp



Controlled starch formula design helps support proper starch digestion and utilization
Guaranteed amino acid levels to support muscle maintenance and health
Added prebiotics and probiotics aid in nutrient digestion
Organic trace mineral complexes for increased bioavailability, immune system support and protein utilization
Guaranteed levels of biotin to support muscle, hair coat and hoof development

Nutrient Level
Crude Protein 14.0%
Lysine 0.80%
Methioine 0.30%
Threonine 0.50%
Crude Fat 7.0%
Crude Fiber max. 15.0%
Calcium 0.90% - 1.20%
Phosphorus 0.75%
Copper 50 ppm
Zinc 160 ppm
Selenium 0.6 ppm
Vitamin A 3,500 IU/lb
Vitamin D 350 IU/lb
Vitamin E 100 IU/lb
Biotin 0.45 mg/lb
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    02-07-2012, 01:45 PM
  #28
Weanling
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Originally Posted by xxGallopxx    
He is a little on the thin side right now, but I'm switching him to free choice hay in a few weeks, so I'm sure THAT will take care of the problem
Found it! Anyways, I apologize to you Drumrunner and anabel. There was quite a big understanding right there...Let's start over shall we. So I'm interested in either switching him over to JUST (as in no grain) a ration balancer, beet pulp, or safe choice. I'd like to hear more about the safe choice from you guys in fact. And do you think he'd need grain when he starts being ridden more? I'm voting no because he'll have free choice hay and whatever of the three options I'm going to choose up there ^^^ Just wanna see what you guys say about that too.
     
    02-07-2012, 01:47 PM
  #29
Showing
Gallop, I feed a pound (2/day) of Blue Seal Carb Guard to add vit/min mix and flax. It's low starch/low sugar pellets (I usually make a mash), and every store around (including TSC) carries it (unlike some other brands like Tribute or Buckeyes).
     
    02-07-2012, 01:50 PM
  #30
Weanling
Kitten Val, I'll look into that too! Is it in a bag or bucket (lol stupid question I know) and how much does it normally cost for you?
     

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