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    12-26-2012, 04:16 AM
  #1
Weanling
Weight builders?

I am looking to put my gelding on a weight gainer, but am not sure which one to go with.

The two I am stuck between is:

Animed Weight Up - Animed Weight-Up - Horse.com
OR
Source Focus WT - Source Focus WT - Horse.com

Anybody have any opinions on these two products and know which one might be better?

I will add that currently my horse is on free choice grass hay, 2 flakes of alfalfa and 5lbs of senior grain per day. It is split into two feedings. So one flake of alfalfa and 2.5lbs of grain in the morning and then again at night. He always has hay in front of him.

His weight is not bad, but I did recently take him off of beet pulp simply because he doesn't like the taste of it and it was a struggle to get him to even eat it. He also will not eat rice bran. So I am thinking a weight builder might be a good thing to try to add some extra calories.

His ribs are just barely visible and I know he has dropped a little bit of weight, but not much and he isn't skinny by any means. But I am going to start riding him probably 3-5 times a week beginning in January so I want to make sure he has the extra calories he needs to keep his weight despite being worked. Cause right now he is only worked like once a week or so.

This is from a couple of days ago:
     
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    12-26-2012, 07:16 AM
  #2
Green Broke
How long had you been feeding him the beet pulp? Did you mix his grain in with it? A mare of ours wouldn't touch beet pulp at first. It took adding a little to her sweet feed/grain and increasing the amount a little each day. Soon she would eat the beet pulp without the feed.

The pic isn't the best to judge weight but it does look like he could use more muscle. What breed is he?

Some will swear by certain store bought feeds. I've had better luck with the beet pulp. Some horses just take longer to get accustomed to it. We did try a feed with ours that did help put weight on. The only problem was when we took them off the feed. They lost the weight as quick as the feed put it on. Didn't have that with the beet pulp. Plus the beet pulp usually is cheaper.
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    12-26-2012, 10:05 AM
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Green Broke
Best weight gainer is grass and hay. People like to skimp on that then try a magic chemical to make up the difference.
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    12-26-2012, 10:09 AM
  #4
Green Broke
I don't like weight builders. When hay won't do the trick I will add beet pulp and rice bran and if that won't quite get there the next best thing is oil. Flax, canola, wheat germ, and rice bran oil and some good ones. At least 3-4oz a day to make a difference.

Alfalfa and oil have done the most for my old girl.
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    12-26-2012, 12:36 PM
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Trained
Since you're feeding a senior feed already(although there are really good ones but also bad, I.e. Low nutrition ones), I would just add oil. Start out slow and work up to a cup a day. Weightbuilders are mainly, you probably guessed it, fat. Ricebran has high fat, oil is almost pure fat.
One other thing I notice, your horse was sweating. Let him dry off completely and brush him. With his fur all sticky the natural thermoregulation of the coat can't work and he's burning needed calories to stay warm.
     
    12-27-2012, 03:11 AM
  #6
Weanling
I will try to respond to everyone.

First he is a 23 year old Thoroughbred. He is definitely lacking muscle as I haven't been able to work him consistently due to no indoor arena. I live in the rainiest state in the US. I am going to work on building his muscle back up starting in January once I have access to an indoor arena.

Beet Pulp - He has been on beet pulp for a long time. Off and on for the last five years. He has slowly just decided that he doesn't like it. I was mixing it with his grain and had to keep giving him less and less beet pulp just to get him to eat it. If he got to any point in his bucket that didn't have senior grain mixed with the beet pulp then he would just leave it.

Rice Bran - He will not touch it.

Grass and Hay - He is already getting FREE CHOICE hay. Grass is not an option as there is none. But he gets as much hay as he wants. 24/7. In front of his face all the time. I can't exactly give him more hay than that...

Oil - I have tried it in the past and it did absolutely nothing for him, maybe I just didn't use the right kind. I have also tried Cool Calories and they didn't do a single thing either.

Deserthorsewoman - He is only sweaty in that picture because I had just worked him. I turned him out in the little pasture area right there so he could socialize for a few minutes and roll. Then I took him inside and put him in cross ties while I cleaned his stall and run and prepared his feed. I then brushed him and put on his really nice medium weight winter blanket. It was just bad timing on my part for the picture. I promise I don't ever put him away sweaty And he is never without a blanket unless it is during the day when I am there.
     
    12-27-2012, 03:20 AM
  #7
Weanling
What about this: Manna Pro Equine Fat Supplement - Horse.com

Or should I get one that is just flax oil, or just wheat germ oil, or just rice bran oil. Which is better out of them all?
     
    12-27-2012, 03:32 AM
  #8
Trained
I didn't think you'd put him away sweaty. He looks relatively dry. Just the "sticky" hair got me. I had a senior TB who would roll in the worst mud available and then got all kinds of mad when I had to go at it with a metal curry to get him at least halfway back to his original color. I couldn't have mercy, he lived out, needed his fur for staying warm. Lots of people forget about that, that's why I mentioned
What senior feed is he on currently?
My above mentioned oldie gave me headaches for years, just wouldn't pack on the last 30lbs, no matter what I put in front of him. Until I discovered alfalfa pellets(hard to find in Europe, not at all common).
Soaked alfalfa pellets, a little wheatbran, an ounce each of flaxseed and soybean meal, flaked corn and rolled barley and corn oil got him where he needed to be within a months, free choice grass hay as base. That was long before the countless senior feeds, ration balancers and miracle supplements. Hey, it worked just fine
     
    12-27-2012, 03:37 AM
  #9
Weanling
I tend to alternate between Triple Crown Senior and Purine Equine Senior. It just depends on if I am able to get out to get the Triple Crown. Nearest store that carries it is 45 minutes away.

He is on alfalfa hay so I haven't bothered to put him on pellets as they are more expensive than the hay. He gets 2 flakes a day currently of the alfalfa. He is also on supplements (glucosamine, msm, hoof).
     
    12-27-2012, 03:47 AM
  #10
Trained
I haven't tried either, but used the Nutrena Life Design Senior, together with oathay/alfalfa free choice. Worked like a charm, 3lbs daily, with my Snipper(before and after pics in my "critters" album). She was really thin, but is. QH, which are easier to fatten up, and is younger.
You could always up the alfalfa hay, and see what it does.
     

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