Weight gain vs "Heat"

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    03-09-2012, 06:19 AM
Weight gain vs "Heat"

Good morning all...Friday at last :). I need thoughts and/or suggestions here but some background. I am nearly 7 weeks into a newly purchased 7 yr old TB that was mildly (about 50-100 pounds by vet estimation) underweight. After talking to an equine nutritionist, the horse is getting roughy 10 pounds of pelleted feed, 5 pounds of textured feed, roughly 3 flakes of hay 3 times daily to the point now he actually leaves hay behind :) and 6 cups of rice bran pellets daily. He is also on a pre and probiotic, Grand Complete hoof and coat and a muscle support (he had little muscling)..the muscle builder will be stoppe din the next month or so as he is muscling up nicely now with the ongoing work.

He is doing fantastic on all this but I have a little added issue..he is getting "hot" even with all day turnout and regular work. He isn't to the point that he is uncontrollable but I don't want him any hotter. Given that I still have a little more to go before he is at optimum weight I don't want to drop the feed amount. I can easily up the rice bran pellets to the max of 8 cups per day but someone else suggested lowering the amount of textured feed by half and adding the supplement Cool Calories 100.

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    03-09-2012, 07:44 AM
Just so it is understood correctly. He is getting 45lb of feed and 6 cups of rice per day? Or is it just the hay that he gets 3x?
    03-09-2012, 07:49 AM
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    03-09-2012, 08:19 AM
Kentucky Equine Research did this study recently. You might want to read it. It talks about weight gain in healthy horses and different feeds and their effects...and the way horses clear the glicose in different feed types. It is a good read.

It seems to me that you are feeding an aweful lot of feed to a horse that is only mildly underweight but if you have consulted your vet I guess he/she feels it is ok. I assume they would have taken what the horse has always had for a daily ration and increased it for the amount of weight gain needed?
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    03-09-2012, 10:07 AM
:)...hay three times a day...10 pounds of feed (2.5 pounds each of pelleted and textured twice daily..my math was off above) and 6 cups rice bran per day. He is leaving hay behind so he is getting more than enough there.
    03-09-2012, 10:14 AM
When I brought him home 6 weeks ago he was 50-100 down (as of the pre-purchase exam). At the time he was getting 3 quarts, about 3 pounds of feed twice a day (so about 6 pounds total) and only 2 flakes of hay twice daily.

What I posted above is what I have him at now but he was brought up to that over a period of four weeks..I didn't start out with all that other than the extra hay.

He has gained most of the weight though he went through a couple of shivering episodes as he is completely shed out, with a very short TB type coat, and we hit some lower temps. While he was blanketed well at night the barn removes the blankets on warmer days for turnout. He was shivering in 55 degree temps, high sun and no wind (practice has changed for him and he wears a blanket outside or in the stall until the temps hit 60). He seems to have lost a little of what he gained but it isn't/wasn't extreme.
    03-16-2012, 10:14 PM
Was this nutritionist affiliated with a feed company by any chance? Still sounds like a lot of 'hard' feed, especially over only a couple of feeds daily. It's important for horses to be fed little & often, especially if ingredients are sugary/starchy. I'd tend to avoid starchy feeds, particularly if you can't feed smaller, more frequent meals.

You don't say what the pelleted or 'textured'(?) feed is, but I think (grain/sugar free) 'textured' feeds like mixed chaff for eg are better than pelleted, as they provide more to chew & fibre generally... & you also know what's in them, while pellets can be anything.
    03-16-2012, 10:31 PM
This was a licensed equine nutritionist not one from the feed store. The pelleted feed is Horsemen's Edge 100; the textured feed is a Southern States product. I say textured as it differentiates from a standard sweet feed even though it does contain molasses to keep down dust..it is pretty loose.

I am limited in my feeding choices as the horse is boarded. Finance wise it doesn't make sense to pay a monthly board bill and then pay for my own feed on top of that. The barn feed is good and my last two horses did great on it as do all the other horses at the barn. I just needed to add weight so went with a combination of what he was already getting and added the rice bran pellets.
    03-17-2012, 04:47 AM
I don't get why you're asking for advice if you're not willing to consider taking it/changing? Perhaps I misunderstand tho. If for whatever reason, you don't want to change the feed, I'd be cutting down on the hard feed all round & also feeding it over at least another couple of feeds daily, to reduce problems from feeding it.

Qualified nutritionists can still work for feed co's... & can be licensed by them. As mentioned about the quality & dubious ingredients of pellets, that purina feed has grain byproducts, grain products and roughage products listed as it's top ingredients. It also has molasses added & only 12.5%(max) fibre. You didn't say which SS feed you're using & don't know how you differentiate between these and 'normal' sweet feed - perhaps it's a little less junkier than some, but most I've seen is grain based, including corn, has substantial molasses in it & are generally lowish in fibre. IMO I'd definitely be changing to a healthy alternative.

I just looked at the time frame, which I'd missed earlier - you've only had him 6 weeks & put him on all that, or was he getting same before? It is also very important to change/add to horse's feeds gradually, over a couple of weeks or so. Generally longer for oil/fat products, of which horses don't have the enzymes to digest. Gradual weight gain(or loss) is also healthier than trying to change things too quickly.
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    03-17-2012, 09:19 AM
As I indicated in the previous post this nutritionist was not associatited with a feed store. You may have missed the intial post where I indicated the horse was brought up to his current feed over a 4 week schedule.

As for the advice, I am taking what I can within the realm of what I can afford. I would love to be able to go out to the barn and feed my horse 3 or 4 times a day on only his feed but the plain fact is I can't. The horse is boarded, is on all day turnout with grass and supplemented hay and if fed twice daily. I can/t afford full board plus the cost of my own special feeding progra

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