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post #21 of 40 Old 07-31-2012, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by SEAmom View Post
Mine currently gets roughly 2 lbs of 12 or 14% protein (the bm tells me different things) 6% fat low starch pellet. He gets 2 flks of hay twice a day and an extra flake in the afternoon when he doesn't go out during the day. He's getting three smartpak supps - first level joint maintenance for light work/training, omega for healthy skin and coat as well as helping to balance the omega levels in his body all around, and a hoof supplement to keep his young feet healthy with his shoes on.

If I were keeping him on this feed, I'd be putting in a vit/min supplement because this feed is not working for him. He's on it now because the barn feeds it and I have it a chance for a month. I'm displeased with what I'm seeing, so he's going on Strategy GX next month at the recommendation of a vet. She told me to avoid low starch/low carb feed because he's still growing. Then, I can probably get rid of some if not all of the supps.
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That doesn't make any sense to me at all... Low starch is a GOOD thing... If anything, you should talk to your vet about putting him on a low starch/high fat/high protein diet... The extra protein is what he needs, not starches... But that is just from my knowledge as a draft horse owner, having raised a few young horses from birth to adulthood. I'm not a vet or anything, but that is the advice I was given from my vet and got from veterinary literature...

ETA: Low starch generally means low sugar as well, starch/sugar is not good for horses, most people keep their horses on low starch/sugar to avoid IR, PSSM/EPSM, Laminitis etc... Do some research and educate yourself. A lot of vets aren't that experienced with horses, we use an Equine Vet ourselves.
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post #22 of 40 Old 07-31-2012, 06:06 PM
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I have a young Arab gelding who is a hard keeper in light work and I make my own grain ration to limit sugars which make him hot. He gets 9 lbs of good quality grass hay along with 1lb Beet Pulp (weighed before soaking), 3/4 lb Whole Oats, 1/4 lb Cracked Corn, 1/4 lb Min-A-Vite Lite (Vit/Min Supplement), and 1 oz of Cool Calories 100 (fat supplement) TWICE a day.
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Oh yes. I guess I should say why I give those things to my horses! (belatedly) The alfalfa stuff just gives Casey something to eat with her supplements. Candy gets it to gain weight and add some protein. The mineral and vitamin supplement is because my area is deficient in several minerals and vitamins like selenium (and it also has their salt in it). Caseys joint supplement will hopefully help her arhritis (or at least stiffness) in winter, no results but its only been 2 months, called B-L pellets. Rice bran gains weight for Candy. Feed store time is later this week, going to get a bag of alfalfa cubes, two of rice bran, joint supplement, and I am gonna get a bag of beet pulp for winter and maybe a bag of oats for supplemented all of Candys hard earned energy that she really doesnt need to take out of her fat supply (and oats are cheap!). I am actually starting to get worried about Candy and her weight right now, 2 on body scale and no change in her weight with all her grain. When I got her 5 weeks ago she was 50 pounds overweight..

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Originally Posted by EnduranceLover6 View Post
I have a young Arab gelding who is a hard keeper in light work and I make my own grain ration to limit sugars which make him hot. He gets 9 lbs of good quality grass hay along with 1lb Beet Pulp (weighed before soaking), 3/4 lb Whole Oats, 1/4 lb Cracked Corn,
This & SEAMom's post make me go -(. Far from the above being low sugar/starch, corn is VERY high in NSC & about the hardest grain for a horse to digest. I would not feed cracked/whole corn at all, and would only feed (well) processed corn on nutritionists advice. Mixing feed 50/50 grain & roughage is also quite 'rich' for a horse - the great majority should be roughage. It's also important to feed little & often, especially with high starch diets.

SEAMom, I'd be getting another professional opinion or 2, as your vet may have her wires x'd or be out of date. While growing horses do tend to need more energy/protein than mature ones, low starch is not bad at any stage.
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Originally Posted by EnduranceLover6 View Post
I have a young Arab gelding who is a hard keeper in light work and I make my own grain ration to limit sugars which make him hot. He gets 9 lbs of good quality grass hay along with 1lb Beet Pulp (weighed before soaking), 3/4 lb Whole Oats, 1/4 lb Cracked Corn, 1/4 lb Min-A-Vite Lite (Vit/Min Supplement), and 1 oz of Cool Calories 100 (fat supplement) TWICE a day.

You do know that the corn is being counter productive right? The beet pulp and Min-A-Vite Lite are low sugar/starch (good) and then you add the corn which is just starches and pretty much an empty calorie because horses can't utilize all the energy it's *suppose* to give them. Same with the oats... There is too much protein there for the horse to utilize and will usully create some sort of imbalance... Have you ever wondered/noticed that your horses' manure has A LOT of oats and corn in it?

If you're worried about protein, add a handful of alfalfa cubes instead of the oats and just cut out the corn completely, the beet pulp is creating enough energy through fiber that the corn is unnecassary....
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The old mare is a scoop of an extruded grain and a scoop of a high fat grain plus hay to munch. She does not get much out of the hay since she is missing a number of her teeth. It make her happy, so its worth the little hay waste we have for her. She takes the evening to eat the grain and play with the hay. In the day, she is out on poor pasture in a behavior appropriate group (ie she is not pushed around).

The oldish gelding gets a scoop of extruded plus hay and rather poor pasture. The horses that are in work or not easy keepers get extruded or complete grain plus hay and poor pasture.

The fatish ones get hay and poor pasture. They all have fresh water 24/7 and trace mineral blocks. They are also basically on pasture 24/7.

This is all what is going on in the summer and at this moment but its constantly being evaluated based on condition and behavior of the horses.

We don't do supplements our horses don't really need them. They are in good condition and they are not worked so hard that they would be worth the cost. We are giving them complete grain, hay and mineral blocks. The vet does not think that anything needs to be changed and the vet is a mixed animal practice.
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My boy (a poor doing 16.2hh 3/4 TB 1/4 WB) is currently out at pasture 24/7. We've just moved yards a few weeks ago, from a place with very little to no grass, where he was on two scoops of a pre-made mix that was 8 parts chaff:2 parts rolled oats:2 parts barley: 2 parts wheat bran: 1 part pasture mix: 1 part conditioning mix plus Super Codlivine supplement plus free choice hay. He's actually looking in pretty good condition right now, with an actual top line (the first time since I got him!). He also gets worked pretty hard - I ride six times a week, with four of those sessions being jumping or schooling, and two being decent 1.5-2 hour hill rides - but before I moved him he was a working livery, so he would have three to four lessons a week on top of this, although I would only ride five times a week before.

I've just moved to a new yard around two weeks ago, which has plenty of grass, but it's not lush - it's long, stalky grass. So he's no longer getting hay, and he's now getting two feeds a day, each consisting of half a scoop of chaff, a quarter scoop of pasture mix, a third of a measuring cup of wheat bran, a half a measuring cup of (when dry) speedibeet (which is lower sugar than normal beet pulp) and is supplemented with Super Codlivine Joint supplement, garlic powder and salt.

My reasoning behind what I feed him is as so, but any comments or suggestions I am very much interested to hear as we are still experimenting.

Now he's on grass, I reason that he's getting plenty more than he was, so needing a less high energy feed. However, he's still in hard work, and the grass isn't too rich (aside from him begin a horse who would never do well on grass alone). Therefore, I keep his feed to being mainly chaff, in a similar ratio to his previous feed, but cut out the oats and barley as he's getting more from the grass now. I keep him on the speedibeet because it's high in fibre-based energy, as well as easy on his digestive system (he can be colicky) and balance this with the wheat bran, which being high in phosphorus balances out the high calcium levels in beet pulp, and is also good for his digestive system. The pasture mix is supposed to be only a light work feed, but it's really appetising, and gives him some extra energy without being too much. Overall, he gets around the same volume of feed as before, so hopefully he's going to do as well with this mix as he did on the higher energy mix, but it's less heating and balanced out by actual grass instead of hay.

The pasture he's on is not deficient in anything, so the Super Codlivine is fine for a supplement as it's a pretty good all-round supplement with extra MSM and evening primrose oil for his joints (he's an older lad). The garlic is just to make his feed attractive, and the salt because horses can't go wrong with a little added salt.

Bit of an essay, but any feedback would be good. Come winter I'll probably add oats to his feed again, as well as upping volume a little, and he'll go onto haylage.
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I don't feed grain per se. Mine all get a minimum of 12 hours of pasture, most are 24/7. I feed progressive's ProAdvantage ration balancer to my youngsters and those in work. The pasture puffs are true pasture puffs and get nothing else. The old man gets a mash of alfalfa cubes, senior feed & a liquid fat supplement. When its super hot he also gets electrolytes. Missy is my only one that gets anything else added and she is on Sho-Flex, a combo joint & coat supplement - as a proactive measure at vet's recommendation as she's a 20 year old with an extensive jumping career behind her, she's very sound and anything to help keep her that way I am all for.
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post #29 of 40 Old 08-01-2012, 08:36 AM
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Can't figure out what I'm doing wrong as my horses get about a pound of senior's/oats mix because they are spending so much time inside (their choice). When the flies were at their worst they also got about 4 lbs of hay between them altho it was their choice to graze or not. Both horses are fat and shiney. I don't see much point in adding a lot of supplements only to have the water solubles pass thro as expensive manure. Fat solubles are stored in the fat and can create a detrimental imbalance. One rarely hears of opting to get blood work done to see if the horse is lacking in specific vitamins or minerals. It's not the vets who tell us what to feed, it's the feed companies with all their slick advertising.
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@ThatDraftGirl - I guess I should've clarified that the vet I spoke to knows my horse well and is an equine vet. I just assumed that could go without saying. Thank you for your input.

@Loosie - I trust this vet completely. She's one of the best in the area. I've also already had my horse on 2 different low starch feeds and they don't work well for him - at all, lol. When he's on tiz whiz or strategy, I don't have to supplement because he's healthier and happier. I know low starch works for a lot of horses, but it just doesn't work for mine.
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