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  • Equipride vs show glo
  • Feeding horses cheaply but healthy

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    11-02-2012, 10:00 AM
  #11
Green Broke
I'm going to start by saying, you won't get out of helping this horse cheaply, so the family has to decide how much on-going $$$ money they are willing to spend. Ulcers don't ever disappear, they just have periods of silence.

You say he's dropped 200 lbs but in another post you comment you intentionally "bulked him up" for a show. <---I am sitting on my hands on that one.

Assuming he was in great condition to begin with, 200 lbs of fat just to go in a show ring is really jeopordizing the horse's health, all for the win - I am sorry but if you've read enough on this forum, I don't try very hard to be politically correct.

Did he lose the "bulked him up for the show" due to human induced dieting or because he is sick (sick does not mean running fevers or being lame in this case).

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Originally Posted by MRich92    
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Ok so I have an 8 yo buckskin quarter horse gelding named Bono. He has chronic stomach ulcers despite multiple treatments (they flare up at shows or change in weather) because he's a stress puppy.He needs a really potent digestive aid - they aren't cheap but they work.

1. Succeed - I use it on my horse with hind gut ulcers and strangulating lipomas in the digestive tract. $90/mo

2. EquiOtic is another digestive product that works very well but, in spite of what some folks are saying, I still don't see anywhere it can be bought without a prescription. It is $45/mo but, from the sounds of things he would need a double dose so you're right back up to $90/mo


With the advice of our vet we stopped feeding him grain.Thank goodness for that recommendation.

He currently eats 2 flakes alfalfa and 3 flakes coastal twice a day. My problem is, is despite a weight supplement he's dropped 200 pounds (I've also started riding twice as much). We've tried upping his hay, but he just wastes it or shoves it through the stall to my mare(lol). He's wasting it because his stomach hurts and can't eat.

So I'm wondering what suggestions for a "grain-free" feed would you recommend? EquiPride is a soy-free, completely grain-free Vit/min supplement. Very expensive but it only takes ten ounces daily and gives them all their vit/min.

McCauley's 10% Balancer is also soy-free and grain-free but is a pelleted feed that requires more than 10 ounces daily.

Tuttles Liquid 747 vit/min supplement that only requires one ounce daily and it can be top-dressed on equine rice bran. Rice bran is 22% healthy fat, provides cool energy and is cal:phos balanced as long as you buy EQUINE rice bran. Tractor Supply sells Manna Pro's "Max-E-Glo".

This is what I feed my horse with the hind gut ulcers and I feed him three times a day because twice a day is too much at one time and he gets sick.

Since rice bran is this horse's main staple, MannaPro's nutritionist said it would be safe to up his amount to six pounds daily if I have to. He has gained weight on 3-3/4 pounds daily, so I'm keeping it at that amount as he also has Equine Metabolic Syndrome.

I also add 1/2 cup daily of Omega-3 Horseshine to this horse's diet. Tractor Supply sells it. They sell their own brand but it's so much cheaper than the real stuff, I have to wonder what "leftovers" go into it; I prefer to get what I pay for and buy the name brand.


We are a true all-around horse. He is currently in hunter and western pleasure training being ridden 3-5 times a week for 1-3 hrs depending on the lesson and how fast we learn etc. He is also turned out daily for 5-6 hrs a day weather permitting with fresh grass. He doesn't get hot with extra-calories or a high energy food, in fact he's less grumpy with the extra "kick".
I just need something to help maintain him where he's at. Any advice would be great. :]
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If this horse hasn't colicked yet, it's a miracle but given the description of his current health, IMO, it's just a matter of time if his diet doesn't get under control.

Until he starts gaining weight and goes back to eating his hay in whatever manner is normal for him, I would cut back his workout sessions. He will be worthless in the show ring, if his health doesn't have time to recover.
     
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    11-02-2012, 05:34 PM
  #12
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by walkinthewalk    
Rice bran is 22% healthy fat, provides cool energy and is cal:phos balanced as long as you buy EQUINE rice bran. Tractor Supply sells Manna Pro's "Max-E-Glo".
Just wanted to point out that not all rice bran is fortified just because it's marketed as equine. I feed my horse "Equine Shine" rice bran, which is stabilized, but not fortified. I guess I should also comment that it's very important to get stabilized rice bran, as otherwise it goes rancid very quickly, possibly before you even get it home depending on your feed store (the one time I checked the non-stabilized brand at my feed store it had already been on the shelf 2 months )

I'm OK with feeding my horse non-fortified because I'm only feeding 1/2 lb a day and I've balanced his diet using FeedXL.com (which I highly recommend).

Beet pulp and rice bran are great for putting on weight, as is the alfalfa you're already feeding. I'd also add in a ration balancer or vit/min supplement, as it's pretty much impossible for horses to get the nutrients they need out of a block.

I'd avoid Triple Crown Complete for your guy- it's high in sugar (not good for ulcers). If you want to stay grain free, I'd recommend Triple Crown 30% Supplement (plus beet pulp and rice bran for added calories) or Triple Crown Senior. Both are very low in sugar/starch.

Continue to give him as much hay as he'll eat- you can put the grass hay into a hay net to prevent waste and then just give him the alfalfa outside the net (unless he's wasting the alfalfa too, but most horses I know won't leave a scrap of alfalfa behind ) Having small amounts of food constantly going through a horse's system is about the best thing you can do for them, particularly those prone to ulcers.
     
    11-02-2012, 05:43 PM
  #13
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Originally Posted by verona1016    
Just wanted to point out that not all rice bran is fortified just because it's marketed as equine. I feed my horse "Equine Shine" rice bran, which is stabilized, but not fortified. I guess I should also comment that it's very important to get stabilized rice bran, as otherwise it goes rancid very quickly, possibly before you even get it home depending on your feed store (the one time I checked the non-stabilized brand at my feed store it had already been on the shelf 2 months )

I'm OK with feeding my horse non-fortified because I'm only feeding 1/2 lb a day and I've balanced his diet using FeedXL.com (which I highly recommend).

Beet pulp and rice bran are great for putting on weight, as is the alfalfa you're already feeding. I'd also add in a ration balancer or vit/min supplement, as it's pretty much impossible for horses to get the nutrients they need out of a block.

I'd avoid Triple Crown Complete for your guy- it's high in sugar (not good for ulcers). If you want to stay grain free, I'd recommend Triple Crown 30% Supplement (plus beet pulp and rice bran for added calories) or Triple Crown Senior. Both are very low in sugar/starch.

Continue to give him as much hay as he'll eat- you can put the grass hay into a hay net to prevent waste and then just give him the alfalfa outside the net (unless he's wasting the alfalfa too, but most horses I know won't leave a scrap of alfalfa behind ) Having small amounts of food constantly going through a horse's system is about the best thing you can do for them, particularly those prone to ulcers.
He's on a mineral balancer in his supplements right now, and now I'm beginning to think the weight loss may be due to weather. We've had two cold weeks and it's just warmed up; last year he dropped a lot of weight around the same time. He's also leaner now and not as fatty. I'll have to take a picture of him.

I forgot to mention he gets a dose of UlcerGard every day in an oral paste. Thank you for all the suggestions! We're going to cut him back on exercise, and the vet is going to rescope his stomach next week.
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