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        03-13-2013, 12:32 AM
      #21
    Yearling
    I'm not a fan of pumping babies full of all kinds of things. I like to keep it simple. I've seen the aftermath of a baby that grew too fast and ended up with lameness issues.


    I think that you have a point there. Horses have evolved over tens of thousands (millions if you include proto-horses) without the need for supplements. These kinds of things are there to create a market, regardless of their claims, they are not there for the health of horses, they are there to make money. If the people selling them can create the appearance of a need for them they make money.
         
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        03-13-2013, 01:00 AM
      #22
    Started
    I love the little Arab/Welsh crosses.
    I'm sure her weight is fine. Fat is not good for horse youngsters...or people youngsters for that matter.
    Be careful with the supplements. If you have questions, talk to your vet. You don't want to overdose.
    She is a Q-T-Pie!
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        03-13-2013, 01:35 AM
      #23
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by loosie    
    Then I respectfully feel that your idea of 'too thin' is probably out, (if talking health-wise). That sounds about right. You should be able to easily palpate these bits. Also she's only a yearling - expect her weight to fluctuate for another year or 2 yet.

    Very well could be, as I am used to naturally bigger, wider, QH youngsters and not welsh or arab babies. I

    I would suggest feeding her in more, smaller meals if possible, if she needs that much. You do realise that the Junior Glow is predominently rice bran too? Have you done a diet analysis to know what she needs, or are you feeding all those supps 'just in case'? If you haven't done an analysis & worked out what exactly she needs(& doesn't), you could be causing more imbalance/overload probs with all those different supplements & fortified feed.
    The only supplements I give her on a daily basis (in night feeding only) are the Dynamite and Dyna-Pro. The others, if you are talking about the loose minerals (2:1, 1:1, NTM Salt, and Izmine,) are offered free choice in separate little bins available for them to consume as they require, and to be honest neither of my horses have touched the 2:1 or 1:1 loose minerals, but do gobble the NTM salt and a little is missing from the Izmine container. Otherwise, the 5lbs of JuniorGlo and 1/2lb of HealthyGlo is divided into 2 feedings, at 2.5lbs and 1/4lb respectively, morning and night. But I have decided to stop the Dynamite for my filly while she is on the JuniorGlo.

    I have not had my soil tested, but do know our area is deficient in calcium, copper, and zinc and high in iron. My hay grower spreads lime every couple years to add the calcium. As soon as I get the bulk of my hay this year I plan on testing it, and when the ground thaws out I need to test the pasture soil as I need to rejuvenate it this year, and will replenish what is needed, for both the horses and my garden.
         
        03-13-2013, 01:55 AM
      #24
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by AnrewPL    
    I'm not a fan of pumping babies full of all kinds of things. I like to keep it simple. I've seen the aftermath of a baby that grew too fast and ended up with lameness issues.


    I think that you have a point there. Horses have evolved over tens of thousands (millions if you include proto-horses) without the need for supplements. These kinds of things are there to create a market, regardless of their claims, they are not there for the health of horses, they are there to make money. If the people selling them can create the appearance of a need for them they make money.
    Agree fully with your first comment. Agree to a large degree with the second bit too. But horses have not evolved to live in small(compared to natural) areas, not spanning different soil types & mineral concentrations, fenced in mostly with very limited varieties of herbage, often badly managed, fertilised, etc. & that's not talking about all the processed stuff & intensively kept horses. They also haven't evolved for chronically stressful & high performance & overfed lifestyles, which so many domestics are subject to, which do affect their need for & ability to utilise different nutrients.

    So while all companies want you to think their product is the one to buy and so much is purely marketing hype, I do think that *appropriate* nutritional supplementation to 'fill the gaps' in the diet is a beneficial move. That's one reason I like FeedXL.com for nutritional advice - they're not selling anything but impartial info. Feeding supps willi-nilly, or just in case, or because someone said it's good(remember too there is always someone that will say any product on the market's good...) is not just wasteful but can potentially do a lot more harm than leaving a horse deficient - in the case of selenium OD, it can kill even.
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        03-13-2013, 02:01 AM
      #25
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by AnrewPL    
    I'm not a fan of pumping babies full of all kinds of things. I like to keep it simple. I've seen the aftermath of a baby that grew too fast and ended up with lameness issues.


    I think that you have a point there. Horses have evolved over tens of thousands (millions if you include proto-horses) without the need for supplements. These kinds of things are there to create a market, regardless of their claims, they are not there for the health of horses, they are there to make money. If the people selling them can create the appearance of a need for them they make money.
    Yes, but horses evolved as free ranging animals that traveled miles and miles AND MILES to find food, water, and necessary and naturally occurring vitamins and minerals in the form of vegetation naturally fortified with what they needed, and includes eating or licking soil, clay, and rocks for certain minerals they were deficient in. As humans domesticated and fenced horses in comparatively tiny areas, we took away their ability to self supplement. Doesn't mean they weren't getting supplemented throughout their evolution, it just means humans didn't do their supplementing in the form of a horsey multivitamin, or ration balancer, like we do today, they had to search their environment for individual sources by way of their instincts. I feel it is my responsibility to provide vitamins, minerals, and adequate forage because I am unable to offer a completely natural environment for my horses where they can travel and forage for themselves, the one they evolved to live in.

    After starting this my gelding in particular has improved tremendously in foot and body condition. But he does not get a fortified feed as I feel the filly needs, he gets his joint supplement, Dynamite (vit/min sup), 1/2c flax, excel (digestive catalyst) and dyna-pro (liquid pre/pro-biotic) once a day in addition to the free choice minerals and salt, and of course free choice grass hay in a CC net.
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        03-13-2013, 10:49 AM
      #26
    Weanling
    Babies NEED proper nutrition, but you can give that to them in a fortified feed made for a young, growing horse. In my case, I feed TC Growth. It has the proper nutriotion that a growing baby needs, there-for I do not add a bunch of extra supplements.
         

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