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post #21 of 28 Old 04-29-2009, 08:58 PM
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Wow this is an old topic.

I would like to change my opinion on the topic, and highly recommend "Tug of War; Modern versus Classical Dressage" it is a great read.

I do believe that some horses might benefit from a slight hyperflexion, but todays riders have taken it much too far; working for 10, 20, 30 minutes in hyperflexion. Not good for the horse at all.

Regarding the study - was the maze testing both directions? A horse might choose one arm over another for different factors, such as the arm in relation to the barn, the arm being the horse's "better" side, the arm being towards the "out" gate?
I am very skeptical about studies, especially ones posted in mainstream magazines.

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post #22 of 28 Old 05-01-2009, 01:24 PM
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There are much more natural ways to help a horse use his back and build his topline. For one hill therapy is a 6 week thing to help build your horses topline. 5 minutes both ways with a two minutes rest for 7 days a week and getting less and less as the weeks progress. Also to get your horse to round its back you could be using a fluid rein and help you horse WANT to drop their head and use their back... I dont think hyper flextion should be an option...would you want your head that shoved into your chest? LOL

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post #23 of 28 Old 05-01-2009, 01:57 PM
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can you imagine the discomfort those horses are feeling? I didn't like Anky before but since i heard about Rolkur a couple months ago, I REALLY dislike her now.

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post #24 of 28 Old 05-01-2009, 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by anrz View Post
The researchers also observed that during rollkur the horses showed more signs of discomfort, such as tail swishing, head tossing and attempted bucks.
And how often do we see those very same behaviors in the dressage ring these days? A LOT. Dressage has completely lost its way.
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post #25 of 28 Old 05-01-2009, 09:46 PM
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And how often do we see those very same behaviors in the dressage ring these days? A LOT. Dressage has completely lost its way.

Actually VERY VERY VERY little in the lower non national and international levels.

Lets not go overboard here. Yes it exists but mainly at the very high elite level. Do not mistake a horse that is trained badly and goes behind the verticle with rolkur.

They are two very different things.
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post #26 of 28 Old 05-01-2009, 10:12 PM
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Interesting article - what issue of PH was it in???

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post #27 of 28 Old 06-02-2009, 09:34 PM
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I can't remember- it was pretty recently though. And JDI- I get what you are saying, and I'm not sure if they said if they did it both ways. If they didn't, I agree with you, probably one or two of the horses did choose that arm for a different reason, but many of them probably didn't. I understand people's views in favor of rollkur if it is used correctly and humanely, but I still think that there are better, more natural ways to develop a horse's topline and stretch out their backs.
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post #28 of 28 Old 06-02-2009, 11:07 PM
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I have read different books which touched on it. I have read articles about it as well. I find it's easy to target well known riders, and don't bite me on this but they are not always in the wrong. It's a matter of education and actually understanding how a piece of equipment work instead of biasing an opinion on other people's views.
I have seen a lot of pieces of equipment out there that were visibly making the horse very uncomfortable. I have seen Anky ride using the Rolkur and could post photos of her ride as well. The horse not once showed any sign of discomfort.

That is simply what I observed while I was there.

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