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        08-02-2011, 04:47 PM
      #1
    Yearling
    First Jumpers Show =) [[Tons of Pix]]

    First english show for both Jake and me. We have only done rodeo/gymkhana up till now. But it sure was interesting, we scared the crap out of everyone. Haha. Jake was better than expected, he had little to no gate problems, had no meltdowns, he settled between the fences. He chipped 80% of the fences and knocked 35% poles. But he did not run through any of the jumps, and he didn't even think about rearing even despite being severely confused and frustrated. I mostly focused on pointing him at the jump and keeping my hands quiet, which I did okay at. I was so nervous I ended up pulling on his mouth the entire time for the first two courses, but I was able to relax going into the next two.

    2'6" Table (IIb) 6/6
    2'6" Table (III) D'Qued (Forgot my course)
    2'6" AA Table (IIb) 8/8
    2'6" AA Table (III) 7/7

    But I had a friend taking wonder pictures, and another taking video. =)







    First of the triple


    Second of triple


    Third of triple


    I know, forgot my release. I had a sharp turn a stride out I was trying to get.


    =)

    Working now on turns and more balance. He was confused that being by the gate after one jump didn't mean we were done (like in barrels) Need to work on coming back to me and not needing to hold him so tight for a steady pace. I need to work on a better release, and gentle putting contact back on the reins after a jump instead of snagging him. I still need to sit up and back and try to not anticipate.
         
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        08-02-2011, 05:04 PM
      #2
    Weanling
    Wow! He was FLYING through that! I couldn't believe how fast he was going-- are all English events that fast paced?? I've only ever done western.
         
        08-02-2011, 05:24 PM
      #3
    Yearling
    I don't know much about english at all I have taken a few jumping lessons before but for that being your first show you did really good.
         
        08-02-2011, 05:26 PM
      #4
    Yearling
    Haha, depends on what english events you are doing. I was doing jumpers which is timed, which is prioritized AFTER a clean round. That's why I got dead last, I had a fast time but knocked rails. I personally was trying to keep him on an easy pace to try and go clean. Lol

    Other english classes, like hunters, are based on consistency and movement. Which Jake and I would get a fat F in. =)
         
        08-02-2011, 05:26 PM
      #5
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DustyDiamond    
    I don't know much about english at all I have taken a few jumping lessons before but for that being your first show you did really good.
    Thank you. =)
         
        08-02-2011, 05:32 PM
      #6
    Foal
    Well i'm missing the plug in for a video but maybe I can explain a little bit. I ride english and I jump too. But If she was going ass fast as you say then maybe she was in a Jumpers competition instead of a hunters competition. In jumpers, it's like barrel racing. Whoever can get through the fastest and the cleanest. (e.g. Not knocking any barrels over or any poles off of the fences, or run outs, or refusals etc. . . ) wins. So they go way faster then hunters. Hunter horses are all about form over fences. It's basically an equitation class so speed doesn't matter. It's all prettiness. Also it was the horse's first jumping show. My horse was such a spas his 1t jumping show we couldn't show him!!!! So it could be many different things
         
        08-02-2011, 05:40 PM
      #7
    Foal
    Yeah what Jumpehunter said. She competed in a jumpers class so speed is a most. Which you two seem to be awesome at. Great job with your first jumpers show. What breed of horse is Jake, he is beautiful.
         
        08-02-2011, 05:56 PM
      #8
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jumpehunter    
    Well i'm missing the plug in for a video but maybe I can explain a little bit. I ride english and I jump too. But If she was going ass fast as you say then maybe she was in a Jumpers competition instead of a hunters competition. In jumpers, it's like barrel racing. Whoever can get through the fastest and the cleanest. (e.g. Not knocking any barrels over or any poles off of the fences, or run outs, or refusals etc. . . ) wins. So they go way faster then hunters. Hunter horses are all about form over fences. It's basically an equitation class so speed doesn't matter. It's all prettiness. Also it was the horse's first jumping show. My horse was such a spas his 1t jumping show we couldn't show him!!!! So it could be many different things
    Haha, yeah glad to know that other people have horses that have a hard time for their first show. People were giving me the dirtiest looks when I was exiting the arena. Typically its pretty calm and the worst horses are the ones that toss their heads a little too much. XP

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    Yeah what Jumpehunter said. She competed in a jumpers class so speed is a most. Which you two seem to be awesome at. Great job with your first jumpers show. What breed of horse is Jake, he is beautiful.
    Haaaa.......Not really. He was going to quick and chipping at most of the fences. We HAVE speed, doesn't mean we effectively used to speed or had the control. I'm working on just trying to get an easy clear round. Lol This video just showed the good parts, I may post up the full class later when I get the courage up to show the failure. Haha.

    Your guess is as good as mine. He isn't registered and was practically given to us. We don't know his specific age, breed, or anything else about him. Just a backyard bred paint? People have guessed everything from TWH, Warmblood, QH, Arab, Paint, Standardbred and a few random others I can't remember. O.0 For all I know he's all of them.
         
        08-02-2011, 07:29 PM
      #9
    Super Moderator
    Wow,....what can I say except that is certainly NOT what I would have done to a dead green jumper. I don't mean to sound harsh, but you sandbagged that horse. You were hardly fair to him and I wouldn't be surprised if this did more damage than good for his training.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Horsesdontlie    
    First english show for both Jake and me. We have only done rodeo/gymkhana up till now. But it sure was interesting, we scared the crap out of everyone.
    And that is a good thing?

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    Haha. Jake was better than expected, he had little to no gate problems, had no meltdowns, he settled between the fences. He chipped 80% of the fences and knocked 35% poles.
    He seemed really prepared for this.....NOT!! WHY would you take a horse to what appears to be a large show...so unprepared? I can think of no reason for this.


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    But he did not run through any of the jumps, and he didn't even think about rearing even despite being severely confused and frustrated

    Please tell me this is a troll and you really don't think this is a good thing.

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    I mostly focused on pointing him at the jump and keeping my hands quiet, which I did okay at. I was so nervous I ended up pulling on his mouth the entire time for the first two courses, but I was able to relax going into the next two.


    What you don't seem to understand is that SMOOTH is fast. Fighting a horse and jerking him around, as you did, loses so much time you will never win at higher levels that way. Every time you jerk those reins you lose seconds. My students know that they should try to ride a jumper course softly and with finesse.

    The really sad thing here, in my opinion, is that this looks like he could be a really talented horse with good consistent training both on the flat and over fences. Running him around a course throwing him at fences is only going to ruin him.

    You have a wonderful horse at your disposal and you look like you could be a very talented rider. But, you will never prevail if you continue with this kind of thing.

    I always try to be nice and keep things constructive and I have really controlled myself here. Please, be the rider you can be and give that horse a chance.

    Rant over.....for now.
         
        08-03-2011, 02:27 AM
      #10
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Allison Finch    
    Wow,....what can I say except that is certainly NOT what I would have done to a dead green jumper. I don't mean to sound harsh, but you sandbagged that horse. You were hardly fair to him and I wouldn't be surprised if this did more damage than good for his training.
    I doubt I did more damage. With a horse with a different personality type I wouldn't have tried this. Honestly though it is hard to describe how he differs in every aspect.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Allison Finch    
    And that is a good thing?
    Yes, I was trying to crack a joke. The people at these shows think they have crazy rides when their horse trips, or tosses its head. The people are low level with very calm horses. I came in with a hot one, and people considered him crazy when he was on good show behavior. I was trying to compare to my worst scenario of what happens when you put a horse that has only barrel raced in any other, calmer event at a show.


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Allison Finch    
    He seemed really prepared for this.....NOT!! WHY would you take a horse to what appears to be a large show...so unprepared? I can think of no reason for this.
    It doesn't matter if he had years of training, the first show was always going to be a disaster. As stated before there was nothing I could do to convince him that going to a show didn't mean that he had to haul butt around a barrel course. Over 7+ years of once a month showing in speed events meant that out of habit he was going to act like he did. Once again its a personality thing for him, he is very rooted in his habits.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Allison Finch    
    Please tell me this is a troll and you really don't think this is a good thing.
    Nope not a troll. Yes I thought it was good that my horse, that can run blind when excited, didn't go to this state of mind. He looked where he was going and focused on where he was going.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Allison Finch    
    What you don't seem to understand is that SMOOTH is fast. Fighting a horse and jerking him around, as you did, loses so much time you will never win at higher levels that way. Every time you jerk those reins you lose seconds. My students know that they should try to ride a jumper course softly and with finesse.
    I had no intentions to place at this show. I know the fact that smooth is fast, at a working canter you have the horse moving at a comfortable pace and using its body effectively, which I force him to slow down to a crawl, so he is working twice as hard and fights me. I'm working on it, its a bad habit on my part that I'm trying to break. I was nervous as heck, and went back to old habits of thinking I had to slow him down.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Allison Finch    
    The really sad thing here, in my opinion, is that this looks like he could be a really talented horse with good consistent training both on the flat and over fences. Running him around a course throwing him at fences is only going to ruin him.

    You have a wonderful horse at your disposal and you look like you could be a very talented rider. But, you will never prevail if you continue with this kind of thing.

    I always try to be nice and keep things constructive and I have really controlled myself here. Please, be the rider you can be and give that horse a chance.
    Allison, I respect your opinion and you obvious experience. You seem to know what you're talking about. Honestly I have no one to turn to for helping with training. I have my friend who is training me, but after she got us over some initial issues I want to move on. I took a lesson or two with the BO (trainer) and she would have got me NO where. I'm not allowed to bring other trainers onto the property, and I don't have a truck to haul my trailer. I can't afford to board at any stables that have more respectable trainers, and heck I have never liked any trained I have ever been with. Half of the people have told me that Jake is useless trash, and would rather euthanize than owning. That he would be nothing more than a lawn ornament for basic riding.

    I'm half way between the lines of "I don't have the resources to make anything better and I want to show." and "maybe if I sit back and work I can improve." For so long I've had people tell me that I'm lucky to have gotten far, and that I'm possibly at the limit.

    I joined this forum in order to try and find help, where I can't in the non-virtual world.
         

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