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post #1 of 23 Old 05-29-2011, 03:58 PM Thread Starter
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I watched a show :) Lipizzaners and quarters. Some questions too...

There was an open door day in horse center in our town, so I went to watch.
The main events were lipizzaner and quarter horse performance. Although I'm an english girl, (never ridden western, although I want to try) I liked western more. Dressage seemed forced, lipizzaners were opening their mouth all the time and were all foamy around their mouth. Head was way beyond vertical sometimes. And one lip. kicked when he was asked to do some element.
And there, lipizzaners are our national pride... The most known horses in our state.












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Thanks :) some more coming soon.


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If I was one of those riders in the background I would be SO NERVOUS to ride in the same ring as them. Oh my goodness they're intimidating
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Haha, yeah the difference between them and dressage riders was very visible :P And the dressage riders seemed so cold, high people, very strict. Lol, I guess it really wasn't pleasant for others.


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I don't know much about western, so if there were any mistakes I wouldn't noticed them as much as in english style (and I can't do it fine even there). But that horses didn't seem worked up, nervous, but very calm and ready to work. Riders didn't put much pressure on their mouths and even take the bridles down and ride this way in the end.
I still didn't decide about the owner. He was promoting this breed a little bit too much and that didn't make it appealing to me. I don't know the breed, so I may be wrong. He said they could concentrate much longer as any other breed and that makes them easy learners. I also don't agree with the bit he used, a group of people went to him in the end and asked him a lot of questions, also about bit. He told us that they start a horse with a snaffle and then go on that bit to get the finese. If he can ride without bridle, I don't know why he has to use that kind of bit. But again I don't know much about this...
He also said that quarters are the only breed that is very calm but explosive. That they are the only that can stop from fast gallop so quickly. That's true?







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Was it a curb bit?

Just like a GP dressage rider moves up to a double bridle, a finished western horse will be ridden in a curb. Because they are going off of neck reining rather than direct reining (like an english horse would) the cues are already very subtly. The rider only has to make very small movements with the rein to adjust as needed. Most of the cues will come from the seat and body though.

Quarter horses are a great breed. They are built to stop and start quickly and are the fastest sprinting horses. I imagine though that something like an Australian Stock Horse would be built to stop and start and use their haunches just like a quarter horse.
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You are so lucky. We don't have lip. around here. Never ever saw a real one in my life, only pics. They are striking but yes they keep a tight pull on the reins and such.
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He may have been promoting the breed so much simply because there are many people there who don't know much about them.

I love QHs. In general, they are very quick and easy learners and are usually willing to please. One of the things about them that is so prized is their ability to get to full sprinting speed in the length of 3 to 4 strides instead of having to build up to it. Then, after a sprint after a cow, their ability to come right back down to a calm walk on a loose rein is another thing that is so great about them.

The reason why many western riders use curb bits is because we ride with loose reins. The curb bit allows the horse to feel the cues without actually having to put pressure on their mouths like you would with a snaffle. Basically, the curb gets the same results with a much smaller hand movement.

Gorgeous pictures of the Lipizzaners, I got to see them a few years ago when they did a show here in Texas. It was very impressive.
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The riders on the lipizzaners aren't keeping a tight rein on their horses. If you look closely in the photos, the curb rein doesn't even seem to be engaged. The horse is ridden on a direct contact with the poll more elevated than a western horse. That's just a difference in discipline.

The ideal dressage and the ideal reining horse have similar goals. A lightness of aids with the horse using their body correctly.
Although the dressage horse is ridden with direct contact with the bit, the communication comes through their other aids like their weight, seat, and legs.
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