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        09-10-2012, 02:29 PM
      #11
    Trained
    Agree. I don't see any difference between free and working gaits at all either. In "free" id say it means more forward, "working" more slow and collected.And I looked at other riders doing the same test. Same thing. But, at least no half dead peanutrollers
         
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        09-10-2012, 02:31 PM
      #12
    Green Broke
    Totally agreed. If you're going to ride two handed on a contact, go get some English tack! The video of the palomino is painful - he is obviously distressed, head up and down, jaw clenched, back locked up because of the amount of pressure being put on his bit. His jog is nice, but his lope is faster then most balanced Dressage canters so I fail entirely to see the point of calling it "Cowboy Dressage" if you're going to ride like an English rider in completely unsuitable tack.

    I MUCH preferred your pics gypsygirl. I'd like to see less contact even still. If the idea is Western Dressage, you should be taking all of the ideals of Western riding and transferring them to a Dressage ring, not just doing Dressage in Western tack. When I think "Cowboy Dressage" I think a lovely reining horse doing a Dressage pattern instead.
         
        09-10-2012, 02:34 PM
      #13
    Foal
    I had no idea this was even a thing! I'm fascinated. I guess I'm going to have to go get lost in a Youtube vortex now, lol.
         
        09-10-2012, 03:26 PM
      #14
    Trained
    I've been seeing clinics for this pop up but haven't understood it. Is it basically Dressage but in Western tack? What are the upper levels like? Are they loafing and passaging in the Western saddle?
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        09-10-2012, 03:30 PM
      #15
    Super Moderator
    I didn't realise this thread was supposed to be an argument for or against Cowboy dressage
    I also didn't post the video to critique the horse/rider or to compare them to the OP's pics but to show that the test can be ridden with two hands. As far as I can see its still in its early stages and aimed at someone who wants to ride western on any breed of horse and do something a bit different to WP
    You can use a snaffle if you want too or ride bitless in a bosal or something like a Dr Cook if I'm reading the rules correctly.
    I don't think its judged on the level the horse holds its head at but on obedience and responsiveness
    As for all western riders only using one rein - does that mean the Brannaman is riding english in this video and his horse looks pretty 'collected' to me.
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        09-10-2012, 03:43 PM
      #16
    Trained
    Jaydee, thanks for bringing up Brannaman
    I think if anybody does Western Dressage, it's him.

    Glad I didn't "critique" the two against one hand thing. . After all there are loose shanked bits who can be and should be used two-handed.
    But if they call it dressage, the differences between working and free speed should be easily seen.
         
        09-10-2012, 03:53 PM
      #17
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    I honestly don't know enough about it to understand how its going to work in the higher stages, they had a clinic at a local yard that is mostly western that we went to watch and I thought it looked far more relaxed than conventional dressage and way less contact with the bit.
    Western horses spin and sidepass etc so I suppose those would be the moves they would incorporate into the advanced levels
    The fact that its open to all breeds - so not dominated by the quarter horse - does sort of mean they can't so much judge on the quality of the lope as that would give a disadvantage to something like a draft horse type.
    I don't think anyones going to be forced to participate!!!
         
        09-10-2012, 04:11 PM
      #18
    Trained
    Maybe people aren't forced to participate, and I guess I'm not being forced to watch either but yeesh talk about weird and painful looking. And these are the people downtalking Rolkur?? At least those riders are in a snaffle and have some idea of what "release" is. Poor horse.

    Want to ride western? Awesome. Want to do a dressage pattern in western tack? Great, go for it. But don't haul on the poor horse's face, two handed in a huge ass curb.
    The thing also about the English carriage and "dressage movement" in the """"discipline"""" is that if it's supposed to be western, then it should be that a western horse can go and do well in a western headset doing a jog and lope, not that I can take my WB out in a western saddle and clean clock.
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        09-10-2012, 04:31 PM
      #19
    Green Broke
    When I said go get some English tack, I meant a PROPER bit for riding on a contact. Brannaman is not riding in a big ass curb that was never designed for contact. In general, I consider a snaffle a piece of English tack because while most horses are started in one regardless of discipline, they are not permitted in a Western show ring past a certain age. As they are literally the ONLY bit you can ride in for Dressage until upper levels, I consider a snaffle an English piece of tack.

    And quite frankly, yes, that video basically shows Brannaman doing English riding in a Western saddle. Everything he is asking of this horse from paces to rhythm to carriage are aspects you would see in an English show ring, not a Western show ring. The point being he's not IN a show ring, and there are aspects from both disciplines that are very helpful in other disciplines. It is VERY much comparable to things like "hunter under saddle" for AQHA. It is NOT an English class - it is a Western class in English tack. All of the ideals being judged are Western ideals and those horses would place dead last in any true open hunter class.
         
        09-10-2012, 04:36 PM
      #20
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    
    When I said go get some English tack, I meant a PROPER bit for riding on a contact. Brannaman is not riding in a big ass curb that was never designed for contact. In general, I consider a snaffle a piece of English tack because while most horses are started in one regardless of discipline, they are not permitted in a Western show ring past a certain age. As they are literally the ONLY bit you can ride in for Dressage until upper levels, I consider a snaffle an English piece of tack.

    And quite frankly, yes, that video basically shows Brannaman doing English riding in a Western saddle. Everything he is asking of this horse from paces to rhythm to carriage are aspects you would see in an English show ring, not a Western show ring. The point being he's not IN a show ring, and there are aspects from both disciplines that are very helpful in other disciplines. It is VERY much comparable to things like "hunter under saddle" for AQHA. It is NOT an English class - it is a Western class in English tack. All of the ideals being judged are Western ideals and those horses would place dead last in any true open hunter class.

    Actually in quite a few countries one is now allowed to compete all the way up to the GP Special in a snaffle in a national show :) Plus in a double bridle, half the bridle is still a snaffle and there is far less contact on the curb than the snaffle.

    I also agree wholey with your last paragraph. Before I consider WD to be legitimate they really are going to have to define what it is they're looking for. IMO if they just want a dressage horse in western tack and the prize money is good I'll just buy a western saddle and go win me some money.
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