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post #21 of 34 Old 09-10-2012, 03:57 PM
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I don't think Brannaman is doing English in western tack. Brannanan is doing classical, regardless of tack. His is the vaquero style, which in turn comes from the Spanish which in turn comes from old school European, be it French (de la Guerriniere), Italian (Neapolitan ) or Austrian(Vienna). Tack, and some of the training methods have been modified according to needs, be it war, what it was originally intended for, or work.
Oh, and Rollkur was nowhere to be seen. And certainly nobody would have had the idea of slapping a shanked bit or a curb into a horse's mouth just because it was 5 years old.
And yes, a well trained horse can and should be ridden in a plain snaffle up to the highest levels.
If Western Dressage, or whatever you want to call it, gets people on the right path, away from said peanut rolling, half dead horses, that would be really nice.
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It's funny...Buck is VERY popular among the dressage crowd here in NC. Even GP riders attend his clinics. I guess it may show that his methods are more along the lines there than in classical western riding...whatever that is defined as.
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I didn't say you can't ride in a snaffle in upper level Dressage, I said you can ride in ONLY a snaffle UNTIL upper level Dressage. You can't just slap a double bit on a Training Level horse in Dressage, and they also do not allow bits such as pelhams or kimberwicks. Not until Third Level I believe are you allowed to ride in a double, as per Equine Canada.

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Yes and even at third level judges like to see snaffles. Riding for Axel Steiner the only comment on the bottom of a 70% third level test, in caps, was "thank you for snaffle". I actually laughed when I got the test sheet.

Sorry must have misread as snaffles are only until upper levels, then you must switch to a double, which was the case 12 months ago.
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I didn't say you said
I said they SHOULD be
And im not current with the show rules anymore. I was actually talking about in general, not show.
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Yeah a lot of people around here are still in a snaffle for Third. We usually see doubles at Fourth and always at PSG. Not that we have a lot of competition at those levels anyway!

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the thing about the bit rules and one hand/two hand rules are that they are just trying to make it inviting for people. Especially people who don't show, but want to improve their horse and their way of going.

Also, about being truly western. Western dressage is sort of a mix. Its western jog/lope, but the judges are dressage judges, not western judges. I personally kept my reins a bit shorter, especially shorter than a WP rider. My friend does WP with her horse and she advised me that I should ride with shorter reins than her because western pleasure horses just have to ride around on the rail, not do many movements. At this point they don't have any complicated tests. There are basic tests and primary tests. Basic is w/j and primary is w/j/l. Its pretty much intro and training level tests. I can't wait until they have a 1st level equivalent.

Dressage trail was also something I never knew existed until I got to the show, but it was really pretty fun !
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GG, I thought you are eventing! Did I mess up?

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Thanks for the explanation GG! You guys look great in any case!
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lol scout was a bit confused that there was never any jumps !

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