Like I said also, when I heard 20 hh, maybe my trainers were scepulating, and I understood them wrong, but also this Forum seems to be very unfriendly, and it feels like accusations, I'm 15 years old. Not some horse back riding professional. Though I want to be, I am not. I deal with this stuff in high school, and after my surgery a week ago, I thought being able to interact with other horseback riding people, I wouldnt be as depressed, but this had the opposite affect. Lil' John is what we call him, and he is a beautiful horse, I can tell you from the last time I remeber meauring him he was at least 19hh. But from there I can't state anymore facts. I wish I could give everyone more pictures of him, but I can't. I don't have anymore.