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    06-29-2012, 09:31 PM
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I'm sorry, guys. I wasn't ignoring this- I was gone for a week out of town with no internet access.

Riccil0ve- he is thin. I'm not going to give any excuses whatsover, but I will explain in the next reply.

AlexS- We've had extreme problems with all but two of the six brought to us, and all of them have been really long term. That's not so say that we're doing perfectly- theres a lot that could be changed. To explain a little bit though, both he, his dam, and another filly have/had severe ulcers. We've finally fixed his dam's problem and the ulcers are almost completely gone and she is now back up to her ideal weight of 1,300 pounds- but we're still having trouble with him and the filly. Our guess is that they developed the ulcers when put into the stalls together which stressed them out, but they were then brought to us and we didnt really see signs of ulcers (possibly our fault.) Then when he lost his eye, he went almost completely off of his feed for a while, then was only eating small amounts. That's when we started testing him for stomach ulcers. He doesn't have any, but we then had a scope one to look for intestinal ulcers, and he does indeed have them which (we think) is why he's not wanting to eat. He's also low on magnesium and calcium as a blood panel showed, so we started him on an all-around suppliment. He's on unlimited alfalfa hay right now and being fed good feed with rice bran added, and He's also on a ulcer preventative and medication. So hopefully we'll see an improvement soon. He still isn't eating (same as his dame, who lost about 160 pounds before we finally got her back to eating well and healing) The filly, Kenzie (not pictured) also appears to have ulcers though they arent terrible, and is being treated a well. We found hers by noticing that she has tried cribbing a lot, and we'll hopefully be able to control those pretty easily.

Peppin was also gelded very recently and is once again off of his feed, though that doesnt affect the big picture very much. He is getting care and veterinary treatment though, and we really do care about him. These six just happen to of been a MUCH larger commitment than we first thought, and we're having a hard time with them unfortunately :( And what with Peppin growing much faster and much larger than we thought he would, its hard to keep things perfect.

As for Sour (pregnate miniature), her feet need a trim but she's definitely not foundered. She is 100% sound. The ground is horribly rocky (we've had a LOT of rain, then dry spells which makes it crack and split) where she is standing which may be playing with the picture a bit, and looking at it she does look like that right fore is...curled under or something. It isn't though, and I'll try to outline in to show you as well as give you another picture of her hoof.

The same picture outlined. Blue is rocks/dirt clods, red is (sort of, sorry. I'm terrible at outlining) her hooves.

A different picture- same day, same place, but from the other side.


Though she hasn't foundered, she IS closely monitored for feed and as you can see she's at a healthy weight. She gets absolutely no grass unless I'm hand grazing her for a minute, timothy/alfalfa mix hay, and two handfulls of broodmare feed which we also mix her psyllium and biotin suppliments into just for ease of feeding. She's in a dry lot as well to prevent founder or colic.

Hopefully that helps. Yes, her toes are too long and her back heels are underslung, but we're working on that. She also has a chip or two in one hoof because of the ground in her dry lot (same as what is pastured) because its really wearing at the horses's hooves. We've ordered some fill dirt to come in but right now her pen isn't really accessable to a truck so we're still working on that.

As for Tempest, that's my fault. I put it on her just so that I could maneuver her while I was taking pictures and take her and her dam (they're still on supervised visits with the other mares only, and are in a seperate paddock), and buckled it too tight without really thinking about it. She somehow wiggles out of them CONSTANTLY and I can never figure out how. We don't leave halters on any of our horses, especially babies, because of safety issues, and it was taken off immediately afterwards. I really don't think it was harming her though.

Hopefully that clears things up for you guys and once again, I'm not making excuses. Yes, there is more that we could be doing for Peppin and we are working on it, and yes I agree that he doesn't look good. He's had a rough go at it and is still very emotionally 'not there' and stressed, due to the constant havock that has been his life. We're trying and we've made plenty of mistakes at his loss, unfortunately, but things are slowly improving for him.

I do want to mention though, that these horses are not mine (except for Sour, who I half-lease. And yes, I do have permission to be taking/posting pictures) and that while I influence the farm a lot, much of it is beyond my control as a sixteen year old- so I find it unfair to critisize me as a member for these things simply because of how long I've been around. If you read any of my post you'll see that I love the animals and only want whats best for them, and am constantly trying to learn and improve things, which is all I can do :)
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    06-30-2012, 01:50 PM
I certainly wasn't criticizing, I remember following your thread about Conner [how is he, by the way?] and knowing that you've gone above and beyond for him. I think that's why this was startling.

I can see now why Peppin is thin. I didn't realize he lost his eye recently, that would put me off my feed too.

As far as Sour, I did not mean to say she looked foundered, just that the trim of her hooves looks very much like the trim I see on badly foundered horses who have grown elf hooves, with the very, very square toe. The other pictures don't show her toes as square, but that first one really does. I'll stick to my "hopefully her feet are being seen to consistently" statement though, they are awful feet, especially for a pregnant mare.

Anyways, I wasn't trying to pick on you, just concerned. Cheers! =]
    06-30-2012, 03:50 PM
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I absolutely understand and I'm grateful that we have members who are concerned for the horses around here. I suppose I should have mentioned above how recently he lost his eye (its still in the healing stages, poor guy) but it really just escaped my mind xD my appologies.

I was actually talking to the BO today while I was working with Peppin, and we're trying to arrange for him to be brought out to a friend's farm with grazing land once he's finished healing and we have his ulcers under control. Most likely for all of his one and two year old years, just to let him grow up and be a baby with this person's two colts and filly that are about his age. He's had a hard life and we want him to have another chance, 'disabled' or not :) I really ought to put some updated pictures of Bree (his dam) up here too. I wanted to take some today but it started storming and I had to leave early. She's looking absolutely fantastic and has the most gorgeous dappled coat. She's finally healthy enough that we can start working under saddle with her too, and she's really doing well. I'm very suprised by her grace and flashy movements since her conformation leaves a lot to be desired, but I really think she's going to make a great 'little' (I say little, but she's actually 16hh) pleasure horse and possibly even low lever dressage or hunter jumper.

Going back to Sour, I know almost nothing about hooves so I have a hard time judging farrier work, but I can see what you're saying. Sorry that I misunderstood you, and I'll talk to the farrier about it next time he's out to trim, which should be some time this next week. We really need to find someone who knows how to work with miniature's hooves but its really hard to find a good farrier in the area for some reason :/ perhaps its time to go shopping for one again xD
    06-30-2012, 04:07 PM
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It ate part of my post, sorry.


Like I said, there are a lot of things that I'd change about the farm if I could, but being that I only work there, I can only do so much. And the animals get the basic care that they need so I can't really say anything. All I can do is work with the animals and make sure that they're easy to handle, quiet, and uninjured. I do what I can, and often its not enough. But its better than nothing.

Oh, and I almost forgot. Connor is doing great! The hydrotherapy that we've done with him has really strengthened his legs and helped him. His eye atrophy has slowed atleast for the time being, as well- and he's living the good life! He's great friends with all of his therapists and pretty much anyone else who's willing to give him a little snack or a scratch on the neck.

I ought to start another thread and add some pictures of him, but heres one picture ^^ this was his first time going on a camping trip and he LOVED it! As you can see he's a totally cute little 10 pound (more like 65 pound) lap dog ;)
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    07-01-2012, 11:38 AM
Aww, Connor! He's a handsome guy all grown up now!

I think it's a great idea to let him be a baby in a pasture. I did that as much as possible with my little one, gave her enough human interaction to keep her manners but mostly let her be. 24/7 grazing is also a great way to get weight on and it may help with the ulcers to have a continuous supply of food.

I would definitely do some looking around for a new farrier if he thinks that Sour's feet aren't a problem. I would just ask him next time why her toes are so square and see what he says. Most farriers and trimmers are willing to come out for a consult, runs cheaper than a trim, just so you can get an idea. You can call your vet for recommendations, post an add on craigslist, or start a thread here, we have a lot of members in Texas, I'm sure someone will know of a person close to you. Good luck!
    07-01-2012, 04:48 PM
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Haha, that he is! And his personality is just killer. You can't watch him for even thirty seconds and tell me that he doesn't love life. everyone and everything is fun to him. He makes me smile. I can't believe that he's already a year old...seems like I was just standing over him as a six week old, not sure that he was even going to make it through the night.

The only problems that we might have with bringing Peppin out to our friend's property is that, for one- we're just a tad bit worried about his eye. Ofcourse, we'd wait until it is 100% healed before bringing him out there, but since he only has 50% of his vision and only on the right side, we're just a little worried about him injuring his other eye or tripping/cutting himself on things or misinterpreting what another colt is doing. This man and his family have about 20 acres for the colts to run on and a lot of it is pasture, but theres quite a bit of wooded area that isn't very well kept that might be rocky, hilly, or otherwise dangerous. That's how we think he hurt himself in the first place, in our 12 acre wooded enclosure by poking himself with a branch while playing with one of our geldings. Ofcourse, we can't keep him locked in a padded room I know, its just that the thought is somewhat scary. We don't want anything else happening to the poor boy!

The other problem is that he is deathly afraid of small enclosures. After being crammed in a small stall with two other horses for the first 3 months or so of his life, loaded on a trailer, put in another stall, finally getting to be in a pasture for a few months then injuring himself and having to be in a stall for another 6 weeks (granted it was a roomy box stall) he absolutely refuses to go into ANY type of small enclosure. Small pen, gate, trailer, stall, alleyway, it doesn't matter. If he can't see where to get out he goes absolutely beserks and almost fell over backwards last time we tried to get him into a 15x20 run. I can't blame him, but that makes it hard because he would have to be trailered 2 hours to get to the farm :/ We may see about having the vet sedate him just a bit, but we'd want him to gain some weight before trying that. Once he was there though I think it would be great for him. The land owner would be able to check them all every day when they came in for feed, and he's probably have the time of his life out there! I really wish we had grazing space here, but what we do have is also paired with the wooded area and...well, we know how that ended last time. He gets continuous hay, but he's just such a picky eater (just like his dam, unfortunately) that he really only sifts through it. I'm sure the ulcers and the eye just make it worse. Poor boy.
    07-02-2012, 11:39 AM
Why do they have to make it so difficult? Lol. My guess is with a large pasture like that, the horses wouldn't spend that much time in the woods. Even if it's 7 acres pasture and 13 acres wooded, they have plenty of room. I think he will be fine. In the meantime, you can probably do some ground work with him to get him to trust and that will help make trailering easier. As far as loading, my preferred method is "lunging" them in. Some circles that get closer to the trailer with part of it lining him up to the trailer. When he can trot calmly by it, pull him in and stride confidently into the trailer. If he resists, start lunging again. Took me about an hour with my hard to load mare, but after that first time, it got easier and easier for us. Good luck!
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    07-02-2012, 03:28 PM
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Thats true. At our farm its probably about 3/4 wooded, so there wasnt that option. Hopefully he'll opt for the pasture! XD

Thanks for the tips. That's similar to what I used to do with my filly when she was hard to load, but she was a 200 lb miniature horse, not a 900 pound colt XD ofcourse, being only ten months old, he hasn't been asked to lunge whatsoever, especially because of his eye. What about teaching him to be 'sent' through and into things? Do you think that would be feasable? It worked well for his dam, and she now loads like a charm. Ofcourse, she can see perfectly and has a much better bond with us.

I'll be doing daily ground work with him until we have him healthy enough to leave, and hopefully things will work well :)
    07-04-2012, 12:28 PM
I'm not sure. His lack of sight makes things tricky. I would think having his eye on you in the center would be better, but maybe some work with him would help you figure out what he is comfortable with. At such a young age, I wouldn't want to do too much lunging, and try to make them as big of circles as possible. And I would avoid cantering. The idea is to be focused on you as the leader and obeying you, so theoretically, I think you should be able to accomplish the same thing with simpler ground work. Like stopping when you stop, trotting off with you, circling towards and away from you, anything that gets his feet moving and listening to you. Just keep him moving, so when you ask to halt, give him a second to be stopped and then back up or walk/trot off. You could then just march into the trailer like before. It would be easier on his body and his mental state, I think.

I have no idea how you would train to "send" horses through things, but if you've been able to do it with success, it would be worth a shot.
    07-04-2012, 05:07 PM
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Yeah :/ we're having to figure out all kinds of new, adapted ways of doing things with him. Our old mare Puddin' is has been 90% blind in one of her eyes ever since we got her, but she'd been a trained WP and ranch horse for years before injuring her eye, and already knew what to expect from us. With him, he's still learning that people aren't going to try to kill him every time we touch him- so its a lot trickier.

I could try doing what you're saying, I'm already teaching him to circle to either side of me (so far he'll only go on the side where he can see me, but we're working on it) so it might not be too hard. I'll also try working with him on sending. We have a pretty good method of teaching it, and I've been sucessful with teaching a few of our ranch horses, his dam, and my mare to do it, so if I can get him to catch on I think it'd be helpful not only for trailering but also for turning him out and things like that.

Thanks so much for the help, and I'm going to try to take some pictures of him soon! The ulcer medication that he's on seems to be starting to make a little bit of a difference, as he's starting to eat like the 10 month old that he is again I'm so happy!

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