Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Just south of sanity
Primitive bays have dorsal stripes, and I've never met any color of bay that didn't have black points on their ears.
How far back in the parents' pedigrees are there bays? You most certainly can have a throwback, even with light colored parents.
The first doesn't have the typical black points on its legs, but that doesn't mean it won't darken down more to a primitive bay.
The second is likely to gray out like its dam. If it has gray hairs around its muzzle and eyes, it'll probably gray out.
My heart horse was definitely a bay, but he had a dorsal stripe and his black points on his legs didn't go up as far as they do on a more 'normal' bay.
So to answer your question, it depends.