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who in this thread said horse slaughter is evil. I personally think we should go to the SOURCE of the problem with irresponsible breeders and owners.Reported this thread. Just how many 'horszee slaughter is eeevvviiiilllll' threads do we need? :-x
i just recently had my dog die, i pleaded with the vet to let me back to the room he was in before he passed. i think i was too late, because as soon as i reached him he was gasping for his last breathes and tongue hanging out of his mouth.Have you ever had a dog killed at the vet's? I have - a number of times. What I saw on that video isn't any worse overall than what some of my dogs have done as I held them in my arms. Sometimes they go down easy. Sometimes they fight it. One of my dogs thrashed around for a minute, with me bawling like a baby.
I hate to break it to some folks, but death isn't pretty. If you don't die in your sleep, you will probably experience pain and fear. Most wild animals do. Lots of people do too. Only a society divorced from nature would freak over that video. IMHO.
connection : if people bred responsibly there would be LESS horses being put through slaughter, there would still be horses going through it. but not as needlessly.What does breeding irresponsibly have to do with that video? It's a tenuous connection at best. If you wanted to talk about irresponsible breeding, why post that video at all? It's not important to the conversation.
Besides, we've been down this sad, tired road a million times already. You can't MAKE people be responsible, and the majority of horses going to slaughter do not come from backyard fugly breeders.
Another thing, why is it that only HORSES go to slaughter? Why are chickens, cattle, swine, and other livestock processed, but only the pwetty, pwetty horsies are slaughtered?
I also agree with bsms. Death when it comes isn't pretty, regardless of the way it happens.
There you go. The things we CAN control, we SHOULD.
Nothing wrong with a captive bolt, but you should have a 99% first-shot kill rate. If not, you need to be reevaluating employee training and practices. I'm on the fence about what that video showed. There are also ways to minimize trauma/fear/distress on slaughterbound animals, such as what Temple Grandin has done for cattle. I hope they're at least trying to move in that direction.
Nowhere in the original post did I mention that I was Against slaughter.No matter how many times the videos get posted or the topic gets brought back up will ever change those minds who find nothing wrong with slaughter. It's just a topic that's been beaten to death (as twh said)
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Define needlessly.
Fugly, as well as very well bred animals go to slaughter every day. It's just the luck of the draw which ones get to live out their lives in good homes, which are neglected/abused, and which are sent to slaughter.
As I stated, it's not the fugly breeders who supply the majority of horses to be processed. It's all those 'responsible' breeders.
I don't think any of us are for inhumane treatment of animals regardless of their ultimate fate, so other than the shock value, what was your point with the video?
That horse was not as knocked out as I would have liked. But it was fast.$#!+ does happen. Botched chemical euthanasias do occur, but aren't exactly common. The two horses I've had put down went peacefully, with just the unsettling post-mortem body tremors that appall the owner but don't hurt the horse a bit. Same with the dogs, rodents, and birds I've seen euthanized at the vet clinic.
As for captive-bolting and minimizing stress on the horse (you can skip ahead to about the 3:15 mark):
Le Sang des bêtes (Blood of the Beasts) part 1/3 - YouTube
Jerking and spasming in death throes is one thing. Being genuinely terrified is another.I will say that while not all of their shots looked as clean as I would have liked, but if those 6 examples are the worst cherry picked over two days, they must generally do a decent job. How many of you have seen a horse euthanized by a vet? How many of you have done it? Not much different in terms of tremors, kicking, etc. Horses don't die gently.
I'm going to have to say that I disagree with you here. Little Janey that breeds her 'best friend' because she wants a piece of her to keep IS the reason that the horse market is screwed. If all the Janeys out there bought a 'cull' instead of breeding their own fugly poneh, there would be no problem. Talking down breeders who breed for a definite purpose, with a definite goal in mind and a plan to get there, is not the way to solve this. These breeders are not churning out horses with funky conformation or anything like that - they just haven't found the one THEY want. Their "culls" are still usually of high quality, but Janey has shut down the market for them with their foal that has a piece of it's mother.If anything, it's not the small time backyard breeder that floods the market. It's the high end specialty breeders that breed excessively to get that perfect horse for their given sport or showing career. That ends up producing a large number of horses that...aren't fast enough, don't jump well enough, aren't fluid moving enough, aren't cowy enough, etc. Many horse sport organizations require that horses be proven in their sport at too young an age which often results in lameness or other health issues....so they are then tossed away.
This thread might interest you: http://www.horseforum.com/general-off-topic-discussion/how-do-you-feel-about-horse-104173/To Those who are asking the difference between horses going to slaughter, and pigs sheep cattle etc, I think I have an answer but please don't jump all over me....
Not sure what you're accusing me of and arguing about, since if you'd read my posts you'd see that you're just agreeing with me....That video a) takes place in France, not America, b) is a just a taaad outdated, and c) doesn't represent the factory-like setting of a modern slaughter plant. What is its relevance to the current situation?