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post #11 of 81 Old 12-05-2011, 03:51 PM
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The slaughter debate has been beaten to death (no pun intended) on this forum. Also, I think pretty much everyone here has seen some video or other about horse slaughter, and if they haven't but want to, a simple Google or YouTube search will do the trick.
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Have you ever had a dog killed at the vet's? I have - a number of times. What I saw on that video isn't any worse overall than what some of my dogs have done as I held them in my arms. Sometimes they go down easy. Sometimes they fight it. One of my dogs thrashed around for a minute, with me bawling like a baby.

I hate to break it to some folks, but death isn't pretty. If you don't die in your sleep, you will probably experience pain and fear. Most wild animals do. Lots of people do too. Only a society divorced from nature would freak over that video. IMHO.
I just recently had my dog die, I pleaded with the vet to let me back to the room he was in before he passed. I think I was too late, because as soon as I reached him he was gasping for his last breathes and tongue hanging out of his mouth.

Blood was coming out of his mouth AND rectum h(e was vomiting blood and having pure blood coming for the other end).... I know the image. He passed naturally before the vet could euthanize him. It is something I wish I could get out of my mind daily.

The difference is there are some things we can help and some things we can't ...this is one of the things we can make a bit more HUMANE.
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There you go. The things we CAN control, we SHOULD.
Nothing wrong with a captive bolt, but you should have a 99% first-shot kill rate. If not, you need to be reevaluating employee training and practices. I'm on the fence about what that video showed. There are also ways to minimize trauma/fear/distress on slaughterbound animals, such as what Temple Grandin has done for cattle. I hope they're at least trying to move in that direction.
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...I personally think we should go to the SOURCE of the problem with irresponsible breeders and owners...

Keeping their colt a stallion because " he is sooooo cute! And sweet!" nevermind he is downhill and has the worst conformation for breeding , then letting them jump the fence, because they are too lazt to properly contain and separate them...
Can I assume you are volunteering to determine who is or is not a responsible breeder? Or do you want a bunch of idiots in the government, most of whom strongly resemble the southern end of a north-bound horse, to determine it by law?

I've met folks I thought were irresponsible breeders of dogs and horses, but I've never met anyone who thought THEY were irresponsible breeders.
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What does breeding irresponsibly have to do with that video? It's a tenuous connection at best. If you wanted to talk about irresponsible breeding, why post that video at all? It's not important to the conversation.

Besides, we've been down this sad, tired road a million times already. You can't MAKE people be responsible, and the majority of horses going to slaughter do not come from backyard fugly breeders.

Another thing, why is it that only HORSES go to slaughter? Why are chickens, cattle, swine, and other livestock processed, but only the pwetty, pwetty horsies are slaughtered?

I also agree with bsms. Death when it comes isn't pretty, regardless of the way it happens.
connection : if people bred responsibly there would be LESS horses being put through slaughter, there would still be horses going through it. But not as needlessly.
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Another thing, why is it that only HORSES go to slaughter? Why are chickens, cattle, swine, and other livestock processed, but only the pwetty, pwetty horsies are slaughtered?
Very interesting point SR. I'd not thought about that but very true.

I also agree that death isn't always pretty even in the most prepared of circumstances. I also wonder how much of that is residual nerve twitching, muscle spasm type stuff afterwards. With just short bits it's impossible to say for sure from a video. I, as I'm sure most of us, realize that slaughter isn't always pretty but for me, I won't make decisions from propaganda videos that have or can be edited to validate the makers views.

Life is like a camera. Focus on what's important, Capture the good times, Develop from the negatives and if things don't work out, Take another shot.
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There you go. The things we CAN control, we SHOULD.
Nothing wrong with a captive bolt, but you should have a 99% first-shot kill rate. If not, you need to be reevaluating employee training and practices. I'm on the fence about what that video showed. There are also ways to minimize trauma/fear/distress on slaughterbound animals, such as what Temple Grandin has done for cattle. I hope they're at least trying to move in that direction.

That would be my point for posting this video. I am not against horse slaughter. But I am for trying to be as humane as possible.
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No matter how many times the videos get posted or the topic gets brought back up will ever change those minds who find nothing wrong with slaughter. It's just a topic that's been beaten to death (as twh said)
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Define needlessly.

Fugly, as well as very well bred animals go to slaughter every day. It's just the luck of the draw which ones get to live out their lives in good homes, which are neglected/abused, and which are sent to slaughter.

As I stated, it's not the fugly breeders who supply the majority of horses to be processed. It's all those 'responsible' breeders.

I don't think any of us are for inhumane treatment of animals regardless of their ultimate fate, so other than the shock value, what was your point with the video?

You want the truth? You can't HANDLE the truth!

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No matter how many times the videos get posted or the topic gets brought back up will ever change those minds who find nothing wrong with slaughter. It's just a topic that's been beaten to death (as twh said)
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Nowhere in the original post did I mention that I was Against slaughter.

I did say horrible however. More so to the amount of times it took the staff to stun the horses.

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