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post #21 of 81 Old 12-05-2011, 05:04 PM
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...the difference is there are some things we can help and some things we can't ...this is one of the things we can make a bit more HUMANE.
How? If a vet cannot put a dog down more 'humanely' than the horses in this video, just how are you going to make horse deaths nicer? If my 85 year old Mom thrashed in pain when a heart attack killed her, then how are you going to exempt horses? My Dad died in a helicopter crash, after the rotor came off. His death was instantaneous, but he had time as the helicopter fell knowing what was going to happen and with nothing he could do to stop it.

Death is ugly & scary for most who die. Modern man only thinks otherwise because he refuses to look at the dying.
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Define needlessly.

Fugly, as well as very well bred animals go to slaughter every day. It's just the luck of the draw which ones get to live out their lives in good homes, which are neglected/abused, and which are sent to slaughter.

As I stated, it's not the fugly breeders who supply the majority of horses to be processed. It's all those 'responsible' breeders.

I don't think any of us are for inhumane treatment of animals regardless of their ultimate fate, so other than the shock value, what was your point with the video?

the point in posting the video was to show people that it could be done better, instead of being complacent with what was already there.

the box should be a bit smaller so that they can't move around as much and the accuracy of the the gun should be SURE ( i know you can't always be accurate (as avid HUNTER). but i sure think it can be done much better than that.

what is the point of not posting the video?
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$#!+ does happen. Botched chemical euthanasias do occur, but aren't exactly common. The two horses I've had put down went peacefully, with just the unsettling post-mortem body tremors that appall the owner but don't hurt the horse a bit. Same with the dogs, rodents, and birds I've seen euthanized at the vet clinic.

As for captive-bolting and minimizing stress on the horse (you can skip ahead to about the 3:15 mark):

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post #24 of 81 Old 12-05-2011, 05:11 PM
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Nowhere in the original post did I mention that I was Against slaughter.

I did say horrible however. more so to the amount of times it took the staff to stun the horses.
It was a generalized statement. Not towards you or anyone on this forum. I'm not for or against it. I usually don't get into these debates since they usually turn into an all out war.

But yes, your right. It is horrible.
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the point in posting the video was to show people that it could be done better, instead of being complacent with what was already there.

what is the point of not posting the video?
I agree with Speedracer - you are trying to shock folks. For every one that goes wrong, there are hundreds that go right. The news doesn't report all of the good throughout the day, it only reports the bad stuff.

Captive bolt may become the way to put a horse down instead of using drugs. Many areas are finding less companies willing to pick up a horse that has been put down with the traditional drug cocktail.
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Very interesting video, bubba.

Shows how processing an equine can be fairly trauma free for the horse. I also enjoyed that they didn't use any hyperbole or hysteria. It was simply the killing and butchering you'd see with any livestock animal.

Thanks for sharing it.

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$#!+ does happen. Botched chemical euthanasias do occur, but aren't exactly common. The two horses I've had put down went peacefully, with just the unsettling post-mortem body tremors that appall the owner but don't hurt the horse a bit. Same with the dogs, rodents, and birds I've seen euthanized at the vet clinic.

As for captive-bolting and minimizing stress on the horse (you can skip ahead to about the 3:15 mark):

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That horse was not as knocked out as I would have liked. But it was fast.

Looked like a nice horse, too.
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That horse was not as knocked out as I would have liked. But it was fast.

Looked like a nice horse, too.
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His frontal brain was destroyed. He was already dead when he hit the ground. Those movements you see were merely nerves.

He was an older horse, but definitely in good flesh.

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His frontal brain was destroyed. He was already dead when he hit the ground. Those movements you see were merely nerves.

He was an older horse, but definitely in good flesh.
Oh, okay. Then in that case, he probably didn't even know what hit him.
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Agreed with many others- I don't see how killing horses is any different than killing cattle, swine, chickens, dogs, and cats (among other species). It's not pleasant, but so long as people continue to eat meat, so does this. As long as death is quick and the transport there is as low stress as possible, it's better than them starving to death.

I will say that while not all of their shots looked as clean as I would have liked, but if those 6 examples are the worst cherry picked over two days, they must generally do a decent job. How many of you have seen a horse euthanized by a vet? How many of you have done it? Not much different in terms of tremors, kicking, etc. Horses don't die gently.
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