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        12-05-2011, 04:28 PM
      #31
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    Originally Posted by Sharpie    
    I will say that while not all of their shots looked as clean as I would have liked, but if those 6 examples are the worst cherry picked over two days, they must generally do a decent job. How many of you have seen a horse euthanized by a vet? How many of you have done it? Not much different in terms of tremors, kicking, etc. Horses don't die gently.
    Jerking and spasming in death throes is one thing. Being genuinely terrified is another.
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        12-05-2011, 04:34 PM
      #32
    Started
    We just shot two steers that we fed all summer. Hit them right in the head between eyes and ears, the magic cross. The steers hit the ground with their heads in the grain bucket. DEAD. Now, we slit the juglar to have them bleed out. There were muscle spasms and nerve twitches until they bled out, basically until the heart was empty, about 2 minutes. Yes, it looks as if the animal, inclduing horses killed with captive bolts are alive, but they are dead, stone cold dead, the front of the brain is basically blow apart, there is nothing there to feel pain. If you look at the eyes of an animal that has been shot in the head, by the time it hits the ground the eye is blue and the cornea/pupil has no reaction. DEAD. There is no pain, there is no anything, the brain has ceased to function when it gets shot in the head, the muscle spasms and nerves are reacting to the death also.
    I have assisted in many many deaths of animals at the clinic, big and small ones. With an injection, the animal is overdosed and the heart stops beating and the animal is dead. Sometimes the animal will fight the injection and make noise or move around, but they are still in a "coma like state". Beuthanisia Special is a high dose of barbituate, it puts their heart to sleep immediately.
    A shot in the head kills the brain immediately, but the body, especially in a big animal has to die, but the brain is gone already. Yes, some go wrong, but some vet assisted ones go wrong also.
    To make it easier to understand, when a person is considered brain dead, but kept on a respirato for organ transplants, they will breath but have no feeling or anything, the brain has ceased to function,but the nerves and such move until the heart is finished. Captive bolts are the same thing, the brain is dead immediately and the body quits when the heart does.
    These videos are done to keep the "humaniacs and bleeding hearts feeling sorry for the horses and to keep the fight alive. Like somebody else said, we slaughter horses, but process all the other living creatures.
         
        12-05-2011, 04:40 PM
      #33
    Showing
    It's much like when you kill a snake. You can cut it's head completely off with an axe and the body will continue to writhe around for a few moments. It's just the nerve endings dying, you can be guaranteed that it feels no pain without a head.
         
        12-05-2011, 04:43 PM
      #34
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    Like I said, I'm on the fence about the video as it didn't show much, but they wouldn't have kept bolting those horses if they were good and dead. So at least those few times, they missed, to the horses' detriment (the film claims 40% misses on the first shot....which I guess may or may not be accurate).
         
        12-05-2011, 04:56 PM
      #35
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Royal Pine Buck    
    connection : if people bred responsibly there would be LESS horses being put through slaughter, there would still be horses going through it. But not as needlessly.
    What kind of fantasy world are you living in? You honestly think the world is perfect and pretty? Wake up and get a reality grip! You think I haven't or anyone else for that matter seen videos like that? Ugly yep, reality yep! Sometimes emotions get in the way of making rational decisions. As it was mentioned in an earlier post, death is ugly. One last thing, I choose to euthanize but I can tell you this, not all of my horses that I euthanized went down peacefully. The one that fought it hard still makes me cringe to this day. Euthanasia is not always a calm way out.....
         
        12-05-2011, 05:36 PM
      #36
    Foal
    If anything, it's not the small time backyard breeder that floods the market. It's the high end specialty breeders that breed excessively to get that perfect horse for their given sport or showing career. That ends up producing a large number of horses that...aren't fast enough, don't jump well enough, aren't fluid moving enough, aren't cowy enough, etc. Many horse sport organizations require that horses be proven in their sport at too young an age which often results in lameness or other health issues....so they are then tossed away.

    What it comes down to, is WE need to stop supporting horse sports that encourage a throw away mentality and that put a horses health secondary to winning. WE need to do this, not the government, not a regulation board, not another layer of laws...WE THE PEOPLE. Ending horse slaughter will not solve the problem. Re-opening them will not solve the problem. This problem belongs to those of us who love horses, see what is happening in the sport world, and say nothing. We must all take responsibility in one way or another.

    I'm not against horse slaughter if it can be monitored by a third party 24/7 via a weblink to ensure that it's quick and clean. Banning it or allowing it won't solve the problem either way, so perhaps folks on both sides of the issue need to ask a different question.
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        12-05-2011, 06:18 PM
      #37
    Yearling
    To Those who are asking the difference between horses going to slaughter, and pigs sheep cattle etc, I think I have an answer but please don't jump all over me. I am trying to form an educated guess, not stating my opinions.

    To people who own horses their horse is a pet. It is more like a dog or a cat, but with a closer bond because of all the work the horse and ridder do together. When people think about horse slaughter they many of them think about the bond they have with their horse and are horrified that anyone would kill an eat such a special creature. It is not on the same plane as a cow or chicken because cows, chickens, pigs, sheep, etc are all raised to slaughter, they are born with their death planed. Horses are not, when a horse gets sent to a slaughter house it is because something went wrong, either with the horse or with the owner. As far as I can tell that is the difference and let me say again, this is not MY opinion but an educated guess as to how others for theirs.
         
        12-05-2011, 06:21 PM
      #38
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by bubba13    

    As for captive-bolting and minimizing stress on the horse (you can skip ahead to about the 3:15 mark):

    Le Sang des bÍtes (Blood of the Beasts) part 1/3 - YouTube
    That video a) takes place in France, not America, b) is a just a taaad outdated, and c) doesn't represent the factory-like setting of a modern slaughter plant. What is its relevance to the current situation?

    Of course a captive bolt is humane if the horse doesn't see it coming and has no reason to be nervous. But building a slaughter plant like that would cost more money than North Americans are willing to spend on the issue. It is just not part of our culture to care about animal welfare that much.

    I suppose you can argue that slaughter is inevitable, but as humane as possible? Nope, not the way we do things on this continent.
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        12-05-2011, 06:33 PM
      #39
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by animalartcreations    
    If anything, it's not the small time backyard breeder that floods the market. It's the high end specialty breeders that breed excessively to get that perfect horse for their given sport or showing career. That ends up producing a large number of horses that...aren't fast enough, don't jump well enough, aren't fluid moving enough, aren't cowy enough, etc. Many horse sport organizations require that horses be proven in their sport at too young an age which often results in lameness or other health issues....so they are then tossed away.
    I'm going to have to say that I disagree with you here. Little Janey that breeds her 'best friend' because she wants a piece of her to keep IS the reason that the horse market is screwed. If all the Janeys out there bought a 'cull' instead of breeding their own fugly poneh, there would be no problem. Talking down breeders who breed for a definite purpose, with a definite goal in mind and a plan to get there, is not the way to solve this. These breeders are not churning out horses with funky conformation or anything like that - they just haven't found the one THEY want. Their "culls" are still usually of high quality, but Janey has shut down the market for them with their foal that has a piece of it's mother.

    Show me a large scale breeder that WANTS to send young stock to slaughter, and I will show you a liar.
         
        12-05-2011, 07:05 PM
      #40
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    Originally Posted by SMCLeenie    
    To Those who are asking the difference between horses going to slaughter, and pigs sheep cattle etc, I think I have an answer but please don't jump all over me....
    This thread might interest you: How do you feel about horse meat?

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ponyboy    
    That video a) takes place in France, not America, b) is a just a taaad outdated, and c) doesn't represent the factory-like setting of a modern slaughter plant. What is its relevance to the current situation?
    Not sure what you're accusing me of and arguing about, since if you'd read my posts you'd see that you're just agreeing with me....

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    As for which breeders to blame, it's all those who don't obey the laws of supply and demand, whether large scale or small scale. And those who produce a poor quality product, and those who make no effort to screen homes (this is and the following go for everyone selling a horse, not just breeders), and those who don't bother to put training on a horse, or who create vices and then pass it down the line....
         

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