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post #41 of 81 Old 12-05-2011, 07:26 PM
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I'm going to kindly disagree with your disagreement, Chiilaa. Pure numbers to pure numbers, it is the large scale breeder that has a larger impact on the horse population, not that they want their stock to go to slaughter, they are just upping their odds of getting a winner at the expense of the horse. I'm not talking down discipline breeders as a whole, I'm talking about a specific type of breeder that should be addressed other than the BYB. You know, folks who breed 100+ mares to get a handful of show stoppers, who stud out their stallions for big bucks without taking a look at the recipient mares, who don't even bother to put some riding skills on young mares before putting them straight into a brood band, etc. It's putting money and pride ahead of the welfare of the horses. Yes, there are really great breeders who seriously take the time to increase their chances of producing excellent quality horses, but there are too many out there that don't. Folks like that are Little Janey on steroids. Those who care don't mass produce, period. And consider, even with the best to the best, you aren't guaranteed the best results. I've seen some fugly horses with amazing pedigrees. I'm merely suggesting that everyone, from the small time horse owner, horse sport enthusiast, and all the way up to the top show people, needs to take a good look at the whole picture and accept some measure of responsibility instead of blaming the other guy.
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post #42 of 81 Old 12-05-2011, 07:36 PM
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...To people who own horses their horse is a pet. It is more like a dog or a cat, but with a closer bond because of all the work the horse and ridder do together...

...Horses are not, when a horse gets sent to a slaughter house it is because something went wrong, either with the horse or with the owner. As far as I can tell that is the difference and let me say again, this is not MY opinion but an educated guess as to how others for theirs.
I'd guess pet horses, like mine, don't make many trips to the slaughterhouse. While I have a closer bond with my dogs, since they live with me all the time, my horses won't get put on a truck and sold for meat.

Not all horses are pets. Many - too many, IMHO - live in boarding facilities where their owners see them 2-3 times/month. Others get about the same use living in the back 40.

And of course, there are many horses used for sport or work. They work for food, and when they can't work more, they become food. It is a lot like living in the wild, only with a better life and faster death.

You are, I think, correct in why many object to slaughter.
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I'm going to kindly disagree with your disagreement, Chiilaa. Pure numbers to pure numbers, it is the large scale breeder that has a larger impact on the horse population, not that they want their stock to go to slaughter, they are just upping their odds of getting a winner at the expense of the horse. I'm not talking down discipline breeders as a whole, I'm talking about a specific type of breeder that should be addressed other than the BYB. You know, folks who breed 100+ mares to get a handful of show stoppers, who stud out their stallions for big bucks without taking a look at the recipient mares, who don't even bother to put some riding skills on young mares before putting them straight into a brood band, etc. It's putting money and pride ahead of the welfare of the horses. Yes, there are really great breeders who seriously take the time to increase their chances of producing excellent quality horses, but there are too many out there that don't. Folks like that are Little Janey on steroids. Those who care don't mass produce, period. And consider, even with the best to the best, you aren't guaranteed the best results. I've seen some fugly horses with amazing pedigrees. I'm merely suggesting that everyone, from the small time horse owner, horse sport enthusiast, and all the way up to the top show people, needs to take a good look at the whole picture and accept some measure of responsibility instead of blaming the other guy.
It is both.

In support of your position, simply consider that 10,000 racing bred Thoroughbreds a year are sent to slaughter - that alone is 10% of the total. There is no question that big breeders, contribute highly to the overpopulation and many of their culls and mediocres make it to the slaughterhouse.

However, backyard and novice breeders greatly contribute to the problem, too, breeding horses that have no market value. Of course they often "plan to keep" the foal, but as we all know they rarely do...or can. What is even sillier are those that breed poor horses with the intent of selling them and making money...something that true breeders can't help but chuckle at...breeding poor horses will get you some tax deductions and that is about it...
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I am not sure how much more humane it could be????

Like someone mentioned before, if that is all they found after 6 days..that ain't so bad. Considering a kill plant for cattle will process a couple thousand head a day. I have no idea what the numbers are on horses and it does depend on the size of the plant.

Also I have had to shoot horses, dogs and cattle. If they have any adrenalin pumping they will thrash like that. And smrobs said the same thing I was thinking about a snake. I have killed plenty of snakes and it may take hours before the nerves quit. We had a saying about Rattlesnakes don't quit until the sun goes down.

I just don't see the point...I only hope when it's my turn to go, it's that fast.
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post #45 of 81 Old 12-05-2011, 08:57 PM Thread Starter
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What kind of fantasy world are you living in? You honestly think the world is perfect and pretty? Wake up and get a reality grip! You think I haven't or anyone else for that matter seen videos like that? Ugly yep, reality yep! Sometimes emotions get in the way of making rational decisions. As it was mentioned in an earlier post, death is ugly. One last thing, I choose to euthanize but I can tell you this, not all of my horses that I euthanized went down peacefully. The one that fought it hard still makes me cringe to this day. Euthanasia is not always a calm way out.....

Ummm, did you even read my statement that you quoted? The statement wasn't even directed at the way the horses were euthanized...

The statement was about how horses are being bred without a second thought to where they will end up! I think they big breeding facility and small should have a couple potential buys lined up to buy the foalt once it hits the ground. And not breed again until that foal SELLS.

That was the needless part was about too. I am going to say again that nowhere in my OP did it say I was against horse slaughter. It wasn't about SHOCK VALUE.

I know how euthanasia goes, I have seen my share of horses put down ( and even stayed with one when nobody else would!) some pass peacefully, some go down with tremors and the like and still even blink once they are dead.

My dog was even just put down (the day after halloween) . The final minutes he was vomiting pure blood and expelling pure blood from his rectum. So please...what kind of fantasy world am I living in?

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ummm, did you even read my statement that you quoted? The statement wasn't even directed at the way the horses were euthanized...
Actually on page 2 of this thread you said it could be done more humane.
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$#!+ does happen. Botched chemical euthanasias do occur, but aren't exactly common. The two horses I've had put down went peacefully, with just the unsettling post-mortem body tremors that appall the owner but don't hurt the horse a bit. Same with the dogs, rodents, and birds I've seen euthanized at the vet clinic.

As for captive-bolting and minimizing stress on the horse (you can skip ahead to about the 3:15 mark):

Le Sang des bętes (Blood of the Beasts) part 1/3 - YouTube

THIS ^ would be fine, that was done with a PENETRATING bolt gun. It actually penetrated the brain and destroyed it. I believe the type of bolt gun they are using in this video is a non penetrating device (less reliable). It is now commonly used to prevent the spread of disease ...mostly for cattle ie: mad cow disease).

I think that they should be sure that they penetrate the brain and properly unconcious or dead before starting the butchering process. This was all this post/video was suppose to be about.

Which I was going to write on the OP but I had to walk away from comp and not allowed to edit after 10 mins.

I could be wrong about the type of bolt gun...

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Actually on page 2 of this thread you said it could be done more humane.
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Yes...but the comment she quoted was about the breeders, hence my confusion. She has a right to her opinion. Could have stated it kindly, instead of bashing.

Nobody is going to be open minded and listen if they are too busy defending themself. ( which is how I felt,defensive.)

And yes, I still feel like it could be more humane,certainly not the worst. But could be better.

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Thank you OP for posting this video. I feel much better about my decision to send a horse to slaughter last month. Every horse in the video was killed quickly and humanely. Most were knocked twice. Once in the forehead and once on the poll to make sure they were dead before going further. Like Cowchick and Smrobs, I have shot many animals and they may be braindead and still thrash around. Sometimes they are even still for a time and then start to thrash around. I won't try to explain what happens biologically because that isn't where my education lies but I know what happens in real life. I hope when it's my time I die as quickly as those horses.
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In support of your position, simply consider that 10,000 racing bred thoroughbreds a year are sent to slaughter - that alone is 10% of the total. There is no question that big breeders, contribute highly to the overpopulation and many of their culls and mediocres make it to the slaughterhouse.

However, backyard and novice breeders greatly contribute to the problem, too, breeding horses that have no market value. Of course they often "plan to keep" the foal, but as we all know they rarely do...or can. What is even sillier are those that breed poor horses with the intent of selling them and making money...something that true breeders can't help but chuckle at...breeding poor horses will get you some tax deductions and that is about it...

This!!!!!!!
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