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post #11 of 35 Old 05-17-2012, 06:36 PM
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I am wondering if this has had ripples throughout the TWH world. WE are currently having the breed shows here in NY, and I heard that not one TWH showed up. It is typically TWH, Saddlebreds, Morgans and Arabs.

I cannot even believe any owner allows their horses to be put on those block like things. They must have exceedingly short careers.....and how do the insurance underwriters insure these high dollar animals knowing this? Wow. I find this really unbelievable. I only wish I could take a cattle prod to that trainer....... It really takes so many folks having knowledge of this and doing nothing that it is beyond my comprehension. From owners to grooms to vets.....many had to know.
The pads actually don't harm the horse. There is a specific height and slope requirement for the pad in relation to the individual horse's foot that can't be deviated from at all. When you take into consideration those things as well as the way in which the foot is trimmed and packed (the grooves in and around the frog are packed with a tar or leather based product like magic cushion to allow it to function unimpeded as a shock absorber), the foot and leg have no more stress placed on them than if the horse were standing flat on the ground. Most of these horses are still sound in their 20's and 30's long after their careers as show horses have ended, assuming they have not been subjected to the cruel practice of soring. We actually have a padded performance division for horses aged 15 and over.

It's what people do in addition to padding or in lieu of adequate training that crosses that line over into abuse. As with all breeds, we have our bad (well, rotten, really) apples and they can be very difficult to uncover even upon professional inspection. To demonstrate this difficulty, several horses that were initially seized in this case were inspected by an independent veterinarian selected by the government and were found to be in good condition. The video proves that abuse happened, but no physical traces of it can be found on the horses. This is complicated further by the fact that people are afforded quite a bit of constitutional protection against search of their property. I wish that there was a way to permit unannounced visitations of people suspected of seedy practices but as the laws stand today, that isn't possible. It's a very frustrating situation for everybody who actually wants to put an end to abuse in the Walking Horse world.

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post #12 of 35 Old 05-17-2012, 07:16 PM
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how do the insurance underwriters insure these high dollar animals knowing this?
Good question, I'm not sure.

Absolutely despicable.
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The pads actually don't harm the horse. There is a specific height and slope requirement for the pad in relation to the individual horse's foot that can't be deviated from at all. When you take into consideration those things as well as the way in which the foot is trimmed and packed (the grooves in and around the frog are packed with a tar or leather based product like magic cushion to allow it to function unimpeded as a shock absorber), the foot and leg have no more stress placed on them than if the horse were standing flat on the ground. Most of these horses are still sound in their 20's and 30's long after their careers as show horses have ended, assuming they have not been subjected to the cruel practice of soring. We actually have a padded performance division for horses aged 15 and over.

It's what people do in addition to padding or in lieu of adequate training that crosses that line over into abuse. As with all breeds, we have our bad (well, rotten, really) apples and they can be very difficult to uncover even upon professional inspection. To demonstrate this difficulty, several horses that were initially seized in this case were inspected by an independent veterinarian selected by the government and were found to be in good condition. The video proves that abuse happened, but no physical traces of it can be found on the horses. This is complicated further by the fact that people are afforded quite a bit of constitutional protection against search of their property. I wish that there was a way to permit unannounced visitations of people suspected of seedy practices but as the laws stand today, that isn't possible. It's a very frustrating situation for everybody who actually wants to put an end to abuse in the Walking Horse world.
I find it difficult to believe that these horses stay as sound with those pads as they would without. When you change the angles so much, it just makes sense to me they would suffer more lameness than the same horse without all the pads. Even if it is hip joints from the angle and the pressure of the rider from an uphill ride. I just don't get it. I know there are evil people everywhere, in every discipline. I do not believe there are many as bad as this one, who call themselves professionals.

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It does effect the twh world there's groups outthere promoting the breed natraly,its insainly expensive, mytwh is sspoild rotten
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I find it difficult to believe that these horses stay as sound with those pads as they would without. When you change the angles so much, it just makes sense to me they would suffer more lameness than the same horse without all the pads. Even if it is hip joints from the angle and the pressure of the rider from an uphill ride. I just don't get it. I know there are evil people everywhere, in every discipline. I do not believe there are many as bad as this one, who call themselves professionals.

Well, I can only speak of my own experiences but I've yet to have soundness issues in any of my horses, one of which will be turning 25 come September. He was shown as a padded performance horse until the age of 16. He has now assumed the full time role of trail horse and pasture ornament.

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I would say you are very fortunate.

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I would say you are very fortunate.
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I think TWH have been bred for years to not only be VERY tractable (they have to be to put up with that crap) .. but also extremely hardy and sound.

The one's that stay sound and sane long enough to breed, were bred, thus producing this very strong, very willing horse.

Sad really .. two wonderful qualities in this breed born mainly out of enduring generations of abuse..

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Unfortantely this sort of thing isn't just in TWH (I've heard horror stories about Halter Arabians) and I only hope that this will help be a step in the right direction.
Makes me wonder about the people who send their horses to these trainers and PAY for this to happen.

I'm glad I can say that I would never be one of those trainers.

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One more article - Horse Training Abuse Case Gains Momentum as PepsiCo Pulls Support from Shows « Straight from the Horse's Heart

Both Pepsi and Ford dropped thier sponsorship.
Be interesting to see what happens now in their financial department.

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