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post #21 of 35 Old 05-19-2012, 01:50 PM
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I remember a couple of years ago reading the articles about the increased scrutiny/inspections at shows where when the inspectors would show up there would be all sorts of exhibitors that would just pack up and leave to avoid being inspected -- yeah, nothing says, "Nothing to see here" like everyone running away.......
They should let everyone arrive and close all exits and force them to stay on the show grounds, then do inspections.
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post #22 of 35 Old 05-19-2012, 01:56 PM
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god that makes what goes on over here look positivly pleasent.
At least over here it is only temporary and dont permanantly injure the horse.
.the worst I have heard of over here is depriving a horse of water for 24hrs before a height measurement or lunging the horse for hours before a class.

they used to Sore the welsh cobs but that has stopped now as the WPCS came down hard on it.

I hate the TWH shows. they look so horrificly unnatural, more like freaks then the beautiful animals that they are and you would be hard pushed to find anyone in the UK who did like it or wanted to bring them over here!

I'm a member on a showing forum for the UK and this video has started a thread on there and has caused general outrage and disgust.

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To TWHGirl... I am curious as to why you in padded shoes? Is it more money or is it the look you like? I'm not trying to bash padded shoes, I'm just trying to understand the motivation to show like that as it seems very taxing on the horse.
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As horrible as it all is I have to say that I am glad that they not only are trying to take care of the problem but recognize that it is only "what some will do to win" and that not all competitors are that vile. The fact that those horses are having to go through such things is horrible and unfortunately it shines a glaring light on the ENTIRE horse world. Such people are NOT, in my book, horse trainers. They do not learn to trust the horse or let the horse trust them. I know lots of horses that can be trained to do the same thing without soring or chaining. One thing this investigation left out is that not only do they damage the horse for the gait but often they will brake the tail up so that is can get raised higher and look more 'regal'.

imho there is no reason to make a horse look a certain way for a competition he point is what is natural. This kind of treatment is not limited to trying to get TWH to lift their feet is is in trainers that hollow a horses back and whips him into a gallop to give them a 'closed carriage' for dressage before they are fully developed and jumpers who drug a horse up so it cant feel the fractured bone in its leg while trying to clear a course and the western rider that uses 3inch spurs cinches the horses head down and you a twisted wire bit to get them to look prettier. I have witnessed all of these thing happen and it makes us all look bad but we have to know that if we do not believe in it that there are other out there who dont either. I have pulled people of their horses for such things and if I were to act like that with my horse (which I hope that I NEVER do) I would want someone to yank me down and put me back to straights.

Unfortunately people are only in it for the money and not the love of being able to do something with a great horse, win or lose.

good luck and happy homes to the horses who were seized.

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One more video - again, not really for the slight of heart.


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post #26 of 35 Old 05-19-2012, 04:28 PM
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I think TWH have been bred for years to not only be VERY tractable (they have to be to put up with that crap) .. but also extremely hardy and sound.

The one's that stay sound and sane long enough to breed, were bred, thus producing this very strong, very willing horse.

Sad really .. two wonderful qualities in this breed born mainly out of enduring generations of abuse..

imo.
Eh, that's exactaly what I have been told, hardy and sound, that they are. But idont have to abuse my horse (nor does anyone else) he natraly gaits I may teach him to rack but he's not getting shoes of any kind unless he needs them. And I'm not going to hurt him :) well promote natral tallent!
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To TWHGirl... I am curious as to why you in padded shoes? Is it more money or is it the look you like? I'm not trying to bash padded shoes, I'm just trying to understand the motivation to show like that as it seems very taxing on the horse.
It's just a different division. Some horses do well barefoot, some do well in park shoes, some do better padded, some excel in all divisions. It's kind of like how Arabians and Saddlebreds have the different shoes. I don't do this for the money (if I tried to making a living off showing, I'd be bankrupt in a minute), just for the love of horses. However, I'll be the first to admit that the padded division has been taken over by people who think they can put 10 foot platforms on a mediocre horse who paces like a camel and get a grand champion out of it...and it works, unfortunately.

I'll be honest. I don't win a lot of ribbons. I don't really care. I'm not willing to sacrifice my dignity and the health of my horses for it and if that means that I come home empty handed, then so be it. I hope for a day when the honest people in this industry can compete on a fair, humane playing field where horses aren't expected to rip their shoulders out of the sockets to win. Until the crooked judges, board members, and trainers get thrown to the curb, it's a futile wish.

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Sorry, can't watch that, too upsetting for me. I really hope that was sensationalized and a rarity, not the norm. One thing I will say though, and this is just my opinion, the people riding those big lick horses, look hunched over, evil and reminds me of a child molester. Sorry, but it's what pops in my head immediately.
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It's just a different division. Some horses do well barefoot, some do well in park shoes, some do better padded, some excel in all divisions. It's kind of like how Arabians and Saddlebreds have the different shoes. I don't do this for the money (if I tried to making a living off showing, I'd be bankrupt in a minute), just for the love of horses. However, I'll be the first to admit that the padded division has been taken over by people who think they can put 10 foot platforms on a mediocre horse who paces like a camel and get a grand champion out of it...and it works, unfortunately.

I'll be honest. I don't win a lot of ribbons. I don't really care. I'm not willing to sacrifice my dignity and the health of my horses for it and if that means that I come home empty handed, then so be it. I hope for a day when the honest people in this industry can compete on a fair, humane playing field where horses aren't expected to rip their shoulders out of the sockets to win. Until the crooked judges, board members, and trainers get thrown to the curb, it's a futile wish.
Thanks for the insight!
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As horrible as it all is I have to say that I am glad that they not only are trying to take care of the problem but recognize that it is only "what some will do to win" and that not all competitors are that vile. The fact that those horses are having to go through such things is horrible and unfortunately it shines a glaring light on the ENTIRE horse world. Such people are NOT, in my book, horse trainers. They do not learn to trust the horse or let the horse trust them. I know lots of horses that can be trained to do the same thing without soring or chaining. One thing this investigation left out is that not only do they damage the horse for the gait but often they will brake the tail up so that is can get raised higher and look more 'regal'.

imho there is no reason to make a horse look a certain way for a competition he point is what is natural. This kind of treatment is not limited to trying to get TWH to lift their feet is is in trainers that hollow a horses back and whips him into a gallop to give them a 'closed carriage' for dressage before they are fully developed and jumpers who drug a horse up so it cant feel the fractured bone in its leg while trying to clear a course and the western rider that uses 3inch spurs cinches the horses head down and you a twisted wire bit to get them to look prettier. I have witnessed all of these thing happen and it makes us all look bad but we have to know that if we do not believe in it that there are other out there who dont either. I have pulled people of their horses for such things and if I were to act like that with my horse (which I hope that I NEVER do) I would want someone to yank me down and put me back to straights.

Unfortunately people are only in it for the money and not the love of being able to do something with a great horse, win or lose.

good luck and happy homes to the horses who were seized.
Nuala-unfortunately one of the reports that I saw this past week said that at one show they tested 52 of the competitors and ALL 52 tested positive for soring compounds. That, coupled with the fact that this week, here in NY was the breeders show and NOT ONE showed up, truly makes me wonder. I would love to know if it has had that effect in other areas.

I have a friend who has trained TWH for years. He also happens to be an NH person. His stallion has won many times, and not through these methods. The issue he has had though is being extremely careful who he has bred to (he no longer does) and who he sells to. At this point, he primarily rescues and retrains. He was very glad to see this come out-it is decades overdue.

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