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        04-15-2010, 07:17 PM
      #101
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
    Humane slaughter of unwanted horses is essential to the business and is a fact of life.
    As long as there are people backyard breeding these AppyxShirexTBxpaint things because "foalz r sew cyoote!", we will need a manner of disposing of them after they have undoubtedly also been taught to rear and nip because "OMG cyoote foally!!".
    Restrict the breeding of horses to a reasonable level and you will negate the need for slaughter. As a result, owning horses may become unattainable to some people.

    Everything is action-reaction.
    As soon as slaughter was banned in the states, there was a huge influx of horses being shipped for even longer periods of time to Canada and Mexico in even poorer conditions and far more horses standing in barren fields starving to death. Personally I would rather see horses humanely shipped for shorter periods of time to slaughterhouses than loaded onto cattle trailers for 20 hours to get to one in Canada/Mexico.
    Oh, also contrary to your beliefs, horses other than those perfect little purebreeds are actually worth something and we don't need to go around cutting them up and eating them just because they aren't freaken "pure". They can plow feilds, too. They can jump, too. They can do dressage and cutting and reining and parrelli and barrels..... But you wouldn't know that because you don't give them a chance. You think its nicer for us to just send them to a butcher, shoot them, slaughter them, and send them accross seas. Makes perfect sense!
         
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        04-15-2010, 07:28 PM
      #102
    Trained
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    Everyone is acting like it is just a simple method of humane euthanasia...... Its not. The horses must endure up to 24 hours in a cattle trailer. Some of the horses fall over in there and are trampled on and killed. They arrive at the slaughterhouse and listen to the other horses scream in terror as they are taken into the kill box. They smell the blood and death. They are then take into the kill box. Only 60% of horses get stunned on the first try when a stun gun (" The most Humane Method") is used on them. Oftentimes they are shot again and again because they are unrestrained and ALL feel severe pain and agony during this proccess
    I don't understand why the US/Canada has such trouble maintaining the regulated standards. We have both knackeries and two slaughterhouses here in Australia, and all process horses. Why do none of the propaganda videos come out of Australia? Does that mean that we do it right and it actually is quite a humane process? We don't have double deckers. There is a vet on site at all plants during daylight hours and if a horse comes off a truck injured, they are put down or euthanized where they lay and only then moved for processing.

    Because we have horse slaughter we don't have the glut of unuseable horses that you guys do. At auctions, it really is only the broken, the badly conformed, or the untrained that go to the meat man. Prices for meat horses are generally $500 or higher.

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    Oh, also contrary to your beliefs, horses other than those perfect little purebreeds are actually worth something and we don't need to go around cutting them up and eating them just because they aren't freaken "pure". They can plow feilds, too. They can jump, too. They can do dressage and cutting and reining and parrelli and barrels..... But you wouldn't know that because you don't give them a chance. You think its nicer for us to just send them to a butcher, shoot them, slaughter them, and send them accross seas. Makes perfect sense!
    You need to read posts without your pretty rose colured glasses on. Anebel made no mention of these mutt horses being 'inferior' - Though they generally are. Of course they can still do most things, but thery can't do most things as well as a horse who was purpose bred for that job. Then you get the horses so badly bred that they end up with conformational issues that prevent them from doing normal activities.

    Condemning a horse to starvation and neglect because being shot offends your sensibilites is horrific - Even if pain is felt, it is only for a split second. A horse starving to death is in pain, constantly, for days while it's body shuts down one organ at a time. I can't respect anyone who would wish that fate upon anything, personally.
         
        04-15-2010, 07:32 PM
      #103
    Foal
    I'd rather be shot and die quick than starve and die slow.
         
        04-15-2010, 08:10 PM
      #104
    Banned
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    Originally Posted by veganchick    
    Poor people can't afford horse meat. Its a delicacy. More poor people could be fed if everone went on a vegetarian diet though. GoVeg.com // Meat and World Hunger
    I have gone a week without eating to prove a point, and sure it didn't feel good but it was a heck of alot better than getting shot
    The US make regulations, but they are never really followed correctly. Trust me, I have been to a cattle slaughterhouse and they definitely did NOT follow the "strict" regulations that are supposed to be followed.
    Supply and demand. The more meat there is to go around, the cheaper it will be. That's basic economics. I have a hard time believing that a vegan diet would be cheaper, especially with global warming...how much is a crate of tomatoes up to these days? 100 bucks?

    Getting shot is quick. You feel something, but the faster the blood leaves your body the quicker you die. Starving works opposite of that.

    Did you report these violations you saw? Did you take pictures and send them in to whatever governing body is responsible for regulations?
         
        04-15-2010, 09:10 PM
      #105
    Foal
    This earth sucks and some humans are heartless. Starving horses and slaughtering them is horrific and wrong. I'll leave it at that since you guys want to beleive what you want to believe and won't open your eyes. I have looked long and hard at both sides of the story, and I came upon the conclusion both are wrong, but slaughter is worse. Believe what you want to believe and advocate what you want to advocate. I can't change the whole world, I can't change most minds but I can make a difference. A small difference, but a difference nonetheless. From here on out I will retire myself from making posts on this topic because it is getting out of hand. I just hope you realize over 15% of horses that would have ended up at rescues will be slaughtered if the new slaughterhouses open. They will ruin the chance that thousands of horses have only to brutally kill them. 15% of the horses gone to slaughter would have been saved. Remember that.


    Rant over :)
         
        04-15-2010, 09:24 PM
      #106
    Trained
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    I just hope you realize over 15% of horses that would have ended up at rescues will be slaughtered if the new slaughterhouses open.
    Why? What proof do you have to back up this statistic?

    Yep, the world sucks, it isn't fair. There isn't one of us i'm sure that doesn't wish slaughter wasn't needed and starvation, abuse and neglect didn't exist. However, we have to make do with what we have.

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    I'll leave it at that since you guys want to beleive what you want to believe and won't open your eyes. I have looked long and hard at both sides of the story, and I came upon the conclusion both are wrong, but slaughter is worse.
    Why do you think our eyes are closed simply because we see it differently than you?

    And this is a fact - Physically, starving puts a horse through more pain for much, much longer than being shot. You simply can't argue with it - It is clear as day. And knowing that, again, anyone who would condemn a horse to such a fate because shooting isn't pretty, rates pretty low in my books. We have to do what is best for the horses - Not what is best for our peace of mind.
         
        04-15-2010, 09:33 PM
      #107
    Trained
    Double Post.
         
        04-15-2010, 09:33 PM
      #108
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wild_spot    
    Yep, the world sucks, it isn't fair. There isn't one of us i'm sure that doesn't wish slaughter wasn't needed and starvation, abuse and neglect didn't exist. However, we have to make do with what we have.

    We have to do what is best for the horses - Not what is best for our peace of mind.
    In a perfect world we wouldn't have to kill plants or other animals to survive. Plants do live as well you know.

    Totally agree with you on the bolded part.
         
        04-15-2010, 11:53 PM
      #109
    Started
    I usually try to avoid slaughter posts because most of them have a bunch of bullsh*ters who believe that swatting a fly is equivalent to killing a human.


    I've been to three different slaughterhouses, horse slaughterhouses mind you. I used to be one of those people who was anti-slaughter because "all de pretie ponehhs r bein miztreatd" or whatever. I've been to two in the US, and one in Mexico. With that being said, we screwed up. Big time. The way the horses were treated in the plants in Mexico were nowhere near comparable to the way the horses we treated in the USA. I would much rather legalize plants in the US and put up with the stupid activists who are ignorant about everything that goes on because crap organizations like PETA have filled their heads with nothing but biased nothings than to have thousands of horses shipped to Mexico where they are actually being abused.

    I wrote a really long essay somewhere about the way slaughter horses actually work (which are nothing like the way PETA or HSUS portrays them). I should find it sometime.
         
        04-16-2010, 12:17 AM
      #110
    Yearling
    It is sad that we slaughter horse but its better they be sent to slaughter houses than is someones backyard getting no attention and starving, that is way worse than them getting slaughtered and even though its sad, im sure they would rather have their lives end than suffer and it is not fair to have horse go starving that's just wrong, sllaughter houses are needed.
         

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