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        04-08-2010, 02:50 AM
      #31
    Green Broke
    Actually, most leather used unless it is super high end came from cows that died due to natural causes and were sent to a rendering plant, or it is the byproduct of cow slaughter. Very rarely is a cow slaughtered primarily for its hide, that would be very wasteful.

    If you went by that same philosophy vegans could not use makeup or shampoo, hairspray,clothing(after all how do you think they test the dyes used to make those cute prints to be sure they wont irritate your skin) bug spray, medicine or anything else for that matter. Somewhere along the lines allll of it has been tested on animals (unless of course it is explicitly marketed as not tested on animals) and is a cause of cruelty to animals, much more than taking an already dead cows hide.

    So really all vegans are hypocrites unless they don't take medicine and spring to spend the extra bucks on he no animal tested products.
         
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        04-08-2010, 03:07 AM
      #32
    Started
    Personally, I do use non animal tested products only (they are not always higher prices! Often lower, actually..) and try to avoid taking a lot of pills and such..I go for more natural cures for things when possible and also aim for the off-brand drugs because I'm fairly sure that they do not do testing themselves and just copy existing formulas (though I could be wrong on that one) but either way...
    I do take medicine when it is necessary. I do find my own life and well-being to ultimately be most important in the end...besides, how could I save the world if I were ill or dead?
    It's obviously not something I'm happy with and can and will do everything possible to find and switch to better solutions than animal testing, but obviously we have to make compromises when it comes to that sort of thing. Contrary to what many people seem to think...we are not all fanatics. In fact, many of us are some of the biggest enemies of the extremists at PETA. They give us a horrible name, making such a spectacle of themselves and all..

    I do my best and try my hardest. It is something that's important to me so I am willing to put out a bit of extra effort where I can. I personally feel that I'm making a difference..if even a small one.
    I realize that other people have different values and opinions in life and completely accept that...meanwhile I'm also out here for anybody who is interested in more information about vegetarianism and veganism and such.
         
        04-08-2010, 03:20 AM
      #33
    Yearling
    I'm not flustered by the humor in here, I just think it's a little odd for you guys to bring PETA up. The article was not PETA or HSUS propaganda-if you checked, it was an article by the 'Missourian'. I don't mind everyone having opinions, but spontaneously bringing up PETA and immaturely mocking it doesn't really seem on topic or fair in respects to the OP.
         
        04-08-2010, 03:25 AM
      #34
    Trained
    Ever had a vaccination??? They're developed in eggs ;) Go figure!

    Roro, no idea how PETA came up, I simply responded to the post previous to me and found the PETA spin off mildly amusing.
    We all need to have a giggle now and then, there are so many racist/sexist/religious jokes around that people laugh at, so why's that one different? ;)
         
        04-08-2010, 03:40 AM
      #35
    Started
    See explanation above for response to that egg bit.

    And I totally agree, Roro, that was exactly my point. It was soley derived from her username only and the many assumptions people make about vegans...and just really uncalled for either way. The OP was just posting her opinion about, basically, a completely unrelated issue.
         
        04-08-2010, 07:43 AM
      #36
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Honeysuga    

    If you went by that same philosophy vegans could not use makeup or shampoo, hairspray,clothing........
    The people I know that are vegans do not use any product any where in their lives that are processed or tested using any form of animal.

    So yes, that philosophy is accurate.

    There are hair care products, etc that are not tested on animals, they simply cost more.


    I do believe they use medicines that were tested by animals but there are not any medicines that are not tested by animals. They do try to avoid taking drugs whenever possible though.
         
        04-08-2010, 12:52 PM
      #37
    Weanling
    Slightly graphic
         
        04-08-2010, 12:57 PM
      #38
    Banned
    Tris, that video was posted in all the other slaughter threads that are going on right now.

    It most certainly does not change my mind.

    I have seen a chemical euthanasia go bad. Should we stop doing that too?
         
        04-08-2010, 01:00 PM
      #39
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind    
    Tris, that video was posted in all the other slaughter threads that are going on right now.

    It most certainly does not change my mind.

    I have seen a chemical euthanasia go bad. Should we stop doing that too?
    No this happens all the time not once in a blue moon. You should really go to a slaughterhouse I highly encourage you to do so.
    And I didn't know it'd already been posted.
         
        04-08-2010, 01:03 PM
      #40
    Banned
    Do you hang out there to KNOW it happens all the time or are you just believing the likes of PETA?

    I am sorry to say that I am unable to visit a slaughter plant that does horses because there are not horse slaughter plants open in my neck of the woods.

    I am guessing, unlike someone who wants to see bad, I will find it to be a relatively smooth running operation. As smooth as any operation that deals with animals can be.

    The video you are posting is of a plant outside the US.
         

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