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        04-08-2010, 01:07 PM
      #41
    Weanling
    Sooo that's pretty much how they all are. No I just know lots of people that have to deal with slaughterhouses and kill buyers.
    It is not humane no matter how you look at it.
    And the usualy reason for a problem with euthanasia is how it is administered.
    So let me get you straight. You find nothing wrong with stabbing a animal while it is still alive? Seriously I just want to know where you draw the line.
         
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        04-08-2010, 01:09 PM
      #42
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    Yes, and the reason there is sometimes a problem at the slaughter house is how it is administered.

    It is OK with you that the vet giving a shot does not always work out right but it is not OK with you that a trained person at a slaughter house shooting an animal does not always work out right?

    And again, if the plant is not in the US we have no control over how the animals are treated. If the plant was in the US we could regulate how the animals are treated.
         
        04-08-2010, 01:15 PM
      #43
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Trissacar    
    No this happens all the time not once in a blue moon. You should really go to a slaughterhouse I highly encourage you to do so.
    And I didn't know it'd already been posted.
    And how many have you been to where you witnessed what you saw in the video? You can find a shocking video to prove any point you want but the truth of it is, in the case of horse slaughter, they are usually out of our country. Slaughter, as a whole in the US, is highly regulated and hardly what you see in the video. A video like that has a sole purpose of being inflammatory rather then educational.

    BTW, I always thought that a vegan was a dietary choice having nothing to do with wearing leather. My DIL is a vegan and wears leather.
         
        04-08-2010, 01:22 PM
      #44
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iridehorses    
    BTW, I always thought that a vegan was a dietary choice having nothing to do with wearing leather. My DIL is a vegan and wears leather.
    I think vegan has levels.
    To some it is a dietary choice and to some it is a life style choice.


    It does seem contradictory that someone who is against using any animal product for food (unless it is for some health allergy type reason) would be willing to use animal products for other areas of their lives.
         
        04-08-2010, 01:24 PM
      #45
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind    
    Yes, and the reason there is sometimes a problem at the slaughter house is how it is administered.




    It is OK with you that the vet giving a shot does not always work out right but it is not OK with you that a trained person at a slaughter house shooting an animal does not always work out right?


    And again, if the plant is not in the US we have no control over how the animals are treated. If the plant was in the US we could regulate how the animals are treated.
    I do not believe it is sometimes. The people who have worked at slaughterhouses have attested to the mistreatment of the horses. I personally don't think it will ever be a humane end for a horse. There is no reason at all why someone who owns a horse shouldn't have the money to euthanize them.
    A vet is trained and I CHOOSe my vet. Rarely is the vaccine ineffective. And no I don't trust them with a ten foot pole.


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iridehorses    
    And how many have you been to where you witnessed what you saw in the video? You can find a shocking video to prove any point you want but the truth of it is, in the case of horse slaughter, they are usually out of our country. Slaughter, as a whole in the US, is highly regulated and hardly what you see in the video. A video like that has a sole purpose of being inflammatory rather then educational.

    BTW, I always thought that a vegan was a dietary choice having nothing to do with wearing leather. My DIL is a vegan and wears leather.
    I highly disagree I do not think they are highly regulated with the horse's interests in mind at all.


    I personally think this is more accurate
         
        04-08-2010, 01:31 PM
      #46
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    Originally Posted by Trissacar    
    I do not believe it is sometimes.
    Believe? Up above you said you knew. Is it believe or know?

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Trissacar    
    The people who have worked at slaughterhouses have attested to the mistreatment of the horses.
    Any particular people? I must have missed where these people documented all the continuous horribly treatment of just horses.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Trissacar    
    I personally don't think it will ever be a humane end for a horse.
    Why?

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    Originally Posted by Trissacar    
    There is no reason at all why someone who owns a horse shouldn't have the money to euthanize them.
    Please take off your rose colored glasses and look at the real world we live in. Are you not aware that life is not always fair and that bad things happen to good people? People that have to decide between a roof over their families head and food. People that before had a great job and were able to pay for things that now for reasons beyond their control (death in the family, loss of a job, divorce, etc) suddenly are not able to afford the most basic things in life.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Trissacar    
    A vet is trained and I CHOOSe my vet. Rarely is the vaccine ineffective.
    Even a great vet can have a euthanasia go bad.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Trissacar    
    And no I don't trust them with a ten foot pole.
    Who is them?

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Trissacar    
    I highly disagree I do not think they are highly regulated with the horse's interests in mind at all.
    You use the word think quite often. How about dealing with facts instead of emotions?
         
        04-08-2010, 01:36 PM
      #47
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind    
    Believe? Up above you said you knew. Is it believe or know?



    Any particular people? I must have missed where these people documented all the continuous horribly treatment of just horses.



    Why?



    Please take off your rose colored glasses and look at the real world we live in. Are you not aware that life is not always fair and that bad things happen to good people? People that have to decide between a roof over their families head and food. People that before had a great job and were able to pay for things that now for reasons beyond their control (death in the family, loss of a job, divorce, etc) suddenly are not able to afford the most basic things in life.



    Even a great vet can have a euthanasia go bad.



    Who is them?



    You use the word think quite often. How about dealing with facts instead of emotions?
    There is also this one pay no attention to the music.
    This is a horse slaughter plant which may still exist in NJ IDK if it is still active or not.
    I have gone through the facts I'm sorry that I don't have the links to them but I've had many computers break down on me.
    And there is no need to get hostile I thought we were having a intelligent debate?
         
        04-08-2010, 01:43 PM
      #48
    Banned
    Um, not hostile at all. More amused than anything else.

    You can keep posting videos produced by animal rights groups all day long. It will not change the facts.
         
        04-08-2010, 01:48 PM
      #49
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind    
    Um, not hostile at all. More amused than anything else.

    You can keep posting videos produced by animal rights groups all day long. It will not change the facts.
    We can agree to disagree. Amanda isn't a rights group though....
         
        04-08-2010, 02:40 PM
      #50
    Started
    Quick note, there are all kinds of reasons for a person to be veg. The ones I refer to when talking about the hypocrisy of use of leather are the ones who do it because of the animals and not soley for health reasons. Of course if they are doing it for health reasons they can do whatever they please.
         

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