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    01-26-2012, 10:38 PM
  #11
Banned
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Originally Posted by xiamsvetlanax    
When was the last time a horse killed a person in a car.. I know moose kill people Diesel =P That wasn't what I meant.
Is two days ago recent enough?
Car-horse crash injures Hessmer woman in Avoyelles Parish | The Town Talk | thetowntalk.com
This woman is not dead, but it sounds like she is very badly injured.



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We can't expect, as humans, to care for EVERY animal this happens to. We just can't, the animals in this world over populate the planet, not just Canada. But they as animals need to either live or die in THEIR OWN WAY, not by the way of HUMANS. If they can't survive the winters, they at least die with nature.. (sorry if I took what you said differently than what you meant.
This is totally illogical. Do you think the horse knows or cares whether it's dying in "nature" or by "human hands?" Would you pick a long and lingering death due to starvation and cold, which could take months of pain and suffering....or capture, the chance of finding a good home, or the alternative of, yes, some stressful handling, but at least a relatively quick and painless death?

Hint: HUMANS introduced these "wild" horses. They're non-native, feral. Do you take the same stance with wild packs of dangerous feral dogs? Live and let live for them, too?

And besides, don't we have an obligation to end animal suffering wherever we can (which means stepping in to alleviate starvation when possible)? If horses are dying of hunger, then obviously the environment cannot support them and they should be removed or reduced to sustainable levels, anyway.
     
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    01-26-2012, 11:01 PM
  #12
Foal
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Originally Posted by xiamsvetlanax    
I understand you come from 1 side of the pond, but I come from the other, and so would most people on this forum (here's hoping ha!). If you subject 1 species to this kind of treatment, why not do this to other over populated animals in places like Canada, in places like the US, you can't because over time, the more and more you throw these animals away, they will forever go extinct. In fact, why can't we do it for deer? Or rabbits? Or moose? -__-
Um, we do. Deer, moose, and rabbits are all hunted as a means of controlling the population. Thanks to our forefathers, there are not enough predators to naturally keep the populations in check, so we have to do it. If we "left them alone" they would continue to reproduce, deplete their sources of food, and ultimately succumb to starvation, disease, even more collisions on the roads, etc. Let's keep in mind that because of public demand, mustangs are not killed outright like deer and moose. This does not push them to extinction, it is preserving both the species and the environment they live in. Why do you think so many funds are invested in tagging wildlife, tracking their habits, monitoring their populations and making efforts to help predators like wolves regain numbers in the wild?
Horses are not bears, they do not kill people, they do not eat your bird seed. They are not moose, they do not kill people in cars when you hit them on the road. They are not cougars, they are not polar bears. You cannot and SHOULD NOT hung a PREY animal.. Are you REALLY serious in saying "they mess up the woods, and creeks" ... Really??? It is one of the most (not the most) majestic, carefree animals on the planet that is considered PREY, and you're willing to "due to over population in a few RURAL parts of Canada and "any where else you see fit" to just throw them in a pen, and made into meat...
Are you REALLY serious in saying we should only hunt animals that can harm us? Do you not realize that this is the kind of mindset that makes animals extinct? We can and do hunt prey animals, and have been doing so for as long as we've been walking on two feet. If you're going to make a statement like that, I would at least hope that you are a vegan.

Why are our woods, creeks, and native wildlife less important than an introduced species? I cannot think of a polite response to that. I grew up in the foothills of the Rockies, and have been raised (by my evil pro-logging family!) to have respect and appreciation for it. That land and its native animals deserve to be preserved. It was all there before we came, and it was there before the horses came. There are plenty of horses in the world, plenty of horses in Alberta in less sensitive ecosystems. Plus, a *few* Rural parts?? I'll be forgiving since you're from MA, but look at a map. The vast majority of Canada is rural land. If they are damaging the ecosystem they are inhabiting, then I will fully support their removal. If keeping them in pens is wrong (and I agree), then there are two options. Put your money where your mouth is and ADOPT EVERY SINGLE ONE, or allow them to be shot.

"Silently the government of Alberta has changed the horse capture regulations to a point that they reflect the determination of the SRD to rid the province of what they believe are nuisance animals."
You REALLY agree with this statement, JUST because you've been in the logging business..and you want to "save the resources"..I got news for you honey, this world is coming to an end whether you like it or not, & it ain't b/c of too many horses in Canada.. I don't understand HOW you whether you've been on 1 side of the pond or not, actually are IN Canada or not, (like myself) can think that "population control" for horses... is ok.
Why would I agree with opinionated drivel written by a misguided organization? Has SRD (not a logging company, btw) issued a statement outlining a plan to eradicate feral horses from Alberta? I've yet to see it. I'm not sure what else to say to you, since I don't have the time nor the patience to explain at full length the meaning of sustainability, ecology, and conservation (ETA: and what stewardship means). Your view is extremely narrow minded - I am assuming you are quite young, and therefore in time you will hopefully understand that reality is not a disney movie. It saddens me that someone so young has already decided the world will end.
See above in red.

Evansk, your impression of the logging industry is flawed/outdated. It most certainly is not spewing oil/gas all over the place, and a substantial amount of money is put towards ensuring that there is as little environmental damage as possible. What you describe sounds more relevant to mining operations and oil sands - I'm not condemning either of those operations however they do tend to tear up the land beyond recognition, and what they take out does not get put back. Trees can and are planted again - minerals and oil cannot be.

Anybody who's lived in the foothills knows the kind of environment it is and what feral horses can do to it. This is where the melted snow comes down from the rockies, the soil is soft and marshy (we call it muskeg), it is very hilly and not flat like the prairies and very prone to erosion (a very big issue the logging industry faces, with massive funds being put towards preventing it as much as possible and researching ways to further prevent it) and the ecosystem has evolved around it. It evolved around even toed ungulates like deer and moose - whose feet are small and capable of picking through the marshes while causing minimal disturbance to the creatures that live in them. Horses are odd toed ungulates, who leave a larger footprint and a greater impact in their tracks. They do tear up the sensitive foothills, and that is no good for the creatures who have evolved there. It's all a delicate balance, and while you might not care much about frogs and fish, losing them would have a ripple effect through the ecosystem and would ultimately effect everything living there. This is why introduced species are a problem - Australia is an excellent example of the extent of the impact introduced species can have and there are many documentaries that talk about it - check out your local library.
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    01-26-2012, 11:02 PM
  #13
Trained
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Originally Posted by xiamsvetlanax    
I understand you come from 1 side of the pond, but I come from the other, and so would most people on this forum (here's hoping ha!). If you subject 1 species to this kind of treatment, why not do this to other over populated animals in places like Canada, in places like the US, you can't because over time, the more and more you throw these animals away, they will forever go extinct. In fact, why can't we do it for deer? Or rabbits? Or moose? -__-
Horses are not bears, they do not kill people, they do not eat your bird seed. They are not moose, they do not kill people in cars when you hit them on the road. They are not cougars, they are not polar bears. You cannot and SHOULD NOT hung a PREY animal.. Are you REALLY serious in saying "they mess up the woods, and creeks" ... Really??? It is one of the most (not the most) majestic, carefree animals on the planet that is considered PREY, and you're willing to "due to over population in a few RURAL parts of Canada and "any where else you see fit" to just throw them in a pen, and made into meat...
"Silently the government of Alberta has changed the horse capture regulations to a point that they reflect the determination of the SRD to rid the province of what they believe are nuisance animals."
You REALLY agree with this statement, JUST because you've been in the logging business..and you want to "save the resources"..I got news for you honey, this world is coming to an end whether you like it or not, & it ain't b/c of too many horses in Canada.. I don't understand HOW you whether you've been on 1 side of the pond or not, actually are IN Canada or not, (like myself) can think that "population control" for horses... is ok.
First, I think you underestimate the intelligence of the people on this forum. Most of us use our heads to analyze facts in order to form an opinion. You seem to be using emotions alone to form your opinion. I hope you're young because that means you have time to mature and learn how to think rationally. If your already an adult I'm afraid you are beyond hope.

Horses have teeth on the top and bottom of thier mouth and can crop the grass much shorter than ungulates like deer and moose that only have teeth on the bottom in the front of thier jaw. When horses overpopulate an area they can do damage that can take several years to recover. When horses are allowed to overgaze an area then all the wildlife suffers because there is no feed for any of them. Horses are about the worst thing you can hit in a car because they are quite a bit heavier than most moose but also have the long legs that tend to send them through the windshield when hit by a passenger car. There are many other reasons to control the population of animals of all kinds.

Hopefully in few years you will look back on your comments here and your beliefs in general and realize how foolish you were.
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    01-27-2012, 12:58 AM
  #14
Started
You are right about one thing, there are plenty of animals that make themselves problems. It isn't just horses that are being controlled. A lot of animals, when they become a problem in areas are killed. A lot of places just disguise it as hunting season. Explain to me how it is any different to allow people to kill deer in order to control the population and not ok to kill horses for the same reason? There is a very real need to control overpopulation of animals....it isn't just about us, it is for their benefit as well.

The only species that can get away with destroying everything and overpopulating are humans.
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    01-27-2012, 10:14 AM
  #15
Weanling
Views are OUTDATED?! Bullock Brothers - Logging Equipment <-- Are those NOT BIG HEAVY equipment with tracks and tires that are used for logging??! Im not outdated or flawed in MY views of logging, and I didn't not say that their always spewing oil I said that they CAN. And don't judge my views on Frogs and fish or other animals, you don't know my views. And the horses don't take minerals and OILS from humans, its the HUMANS taking it for themselves.

All BIG ANIMALS cause accidents. Moose, Horse anything.

I didn't want to turn into a debate, everyone has their opinion. I think population control is fine. I just think they should find a better way of doing it, and instead of offering the horses to slaughterpout d own that the people should be allowed to adopt a "wildie" just like they do down in the states.
     
    01-27-2012, 10:31 AM
  #16
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Originally Posted by Evansk    

I didn't want to turn into a debate, everyone has their opinion. I think population control is fine. I just think they should find a better way of doing it, and instead of offering the horses to slaughterpout d own that the people should be allowed to adopt a "wildie" just like they do down in the states.
Because adopting a wildie is a brilliant idea, because then we have Ms Average horse rider adopting a WILD animal, and giving it a home, meanwhile the born in captivity already trained horse next door is sent to slaughter because the owner has lost her job and can't afford to keep it anymore.

Poor old broke to death go anywhere do anything horse ends up on the one way trip to the cannery because he was boring and brown and fit and healthy.

Sorry, there is something skewed in this life when so much time and money is poured into 'rescuing' the wild, old, broken, etc, and perfectly nice horses are getting slaughtered.
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    01-27-2012, 10:38 AM
  #17
Trained
I couldn't agree more with you!!
     
    01-27-2012, 10:40 AM
  #18
Trained
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Originally Posted by Evansk    
Views are OUTDATED?!.
I don't think your views are outdated. I think they're ignorant.
     
    01-27-2012, 10:56 AM
  #19
Weanling
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I don't think your views are outdated. I think they're ignorant.

Im not trying to be or sound Ignorant. Logging can cause damage just like anything else. I know people are trying to make a difference in the logging industry. I just don't understand how the views are out dated when they are using big machines for logging, that can leak fluids. I'm not saying their doing it all the time but things do happen.

I don't want to argue or push views on someone else, everyone has a right to their opinions, whether people agree or not. That's why its your opinion right?

AND .. I just wanna say, that I apologize to anyone on this thread that may have gotten the wrong impression of myself or my views on anything stated in this thread.

And the bird seed comment - My horses love bird seed probably more than the squirrels do.
     
    01-27-2012, 11:45 AM
  #20
Foal
I agree with Evansk, everyone is entitled to their opinions, sorry if everyone thought I was trying to change yours.. That's not what this was for.. I just stated how I feel about the wild horses being captured and killed as part of population control. Btw, I'm 24. Not young, but I'm not 15 or 20 years into the horse world like the rest.
All done posting here. :)
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