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    12-07-2012, 12:25 PM
  #101
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by enzoleya    
It's illegal to release non-native animals into the wild. Livestock is not a native species.

It's a great idea in theory, and yes some people are doing it, but it's dangerous to the horse and people. Imagine hitting a horse while your driving down the highway in an area that should not have wild horses. Releasing non-native animals into the wild seems to be something that is enforced, not feeding livestock doesn't hold much ground unless you have a rescue group on your side.

I wish I still had the pictures I took at our local sale barn. It was disgusting. People were bringing in horses that should have been put down months ago, but there they were, laying in the kill pens waiting for a long time coming death. I got in trouble for taking pictures, but I would love to do it again some day to show why we have slaughter houses. For example, there was a horse that was litterally drug by the leg into the kill pen because at least one leg was broke. He had raw flesh from laying in feces for far too long. There was another horse whose face looked like it was peeled off and hanging from his chin, it was dry other than the puss dripping off. Many other horses laying around with what I would call feces burns because they couldn't stand up, or horses with flesh hanging from their shoulders/chests/etc. Old bandages on their legs that had grown into their flesh. It's disgusting. These horses do not go through the regular kill pen auction, they stay in the back and are bought directly from those pens. You have to go through gates, crawl over fences, and sometimes through other loose pen horses just to get to the really bad ones. They know better than to put those horses where people can see. We have stayed after dark -when they load up these horses- just to see how bad it is.

I'll try to get pictures of horses like this again and show you why I think slaughter houses are helpful. Unless we change the laws and actually send people to jail for not caring for their horses, then there HAS to be horse slaughter. It's only fair to the horses.
Then after all that agony they are forced to endure a truck ride to an awful death. What is humane about any of that? Those horse wouldn't be there if slaughter wasn't an option for their nasty owners. Yes, they'd still be suffering somewhere but that's not because there is or isn't slaughter- it's because some people don't care.
     
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    12-07-2012, 12:51 PM
  #102
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Originally Posted by natisha    
Then after all that agony they are forced to endure a truck ride to an awful death. What is humane about any of that? Those horse wouldn't be there if slaughter wasn't an option for their nasty owners. Yes, they'd still be suffering somewhere but that's not because there is or isn't slaughter- it's because some people don't care.
They would still be at home rotting away, how is that better? Those people aren't going to care just because there is or isn't horse slaughter. It's a way out for the horse when no one else cares. I've tried calling the police plenty of times about horse abuse/neglect, they just don't care unless the horse is laying in the pasture dead and even then it's just a slap on the wrist, maybe a $500 fine. I've followed up on some of the cases here in Iowa, and that's literally what happens.

If people were held accountable I would not be ok with horse slaughter, but because they can do that and get away with it, I will always believe horse slaughter is better. One day of being shipped and killed is better than laying in a pasture for months slowly dying from starvation, blood poisoning, or whatever else they have to endure.
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    12-08-2012, 04:22 PM
  #103
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If the Canadian plants are shooting horses, rather than sensationalize this why not come up with a solution. It was romantic notions that originally closed all the American plants. The horses can't be shipped by, to whom. It makes me sick but the plants are a realistic solution. BTW, when my old horse was put down it was with a bullet and instant. Yes, the legs kick but the horse is brain dead. Don't think people don't do this with instant death in an accident. No one films it.
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    12-08-2012, 08:13 PM
  #104
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Originally Posted by Cherie    
Cat and Nokota - Why are you posting this? You will find that AA and PETA have no friends here. If either of you own or ride horses, they are not your friends either.

Why don't you work instead to get slaughter plants opened in many places here in the US where they can be monitored and the whole process can handle horses more humanely and safely?

The only other solution is for the 2 of you to go out and buy them all, feed them for the next 1 to 20 years, care properly for them and give them homes. Even billionaire Madelyn Pickens can't do that. So get real. Stopping slaughter now will only result in more horses starving to death or being neglected to the point that they would be better off dead.

Just think about it. Just look at what plan you have [NONE] for the replacement of slaughter as it stands now.

There are ALWAYS going to be unwanted horses. Just WHAT IS YOUR PLAN for them????
Good post.

A little off topic...
Madeleine Pickens, GAH!, a bored TX oil tycoon housewife with too much money and nothing better to do....

I never researched this, but this was some Wells, NV gossip last spring... so take it for what it is worth.
She bought a place close to Wells, some private deeded ground that came with a BLM grazing permit/lease. She bought it with the intention of turning it into a wild horse sanctuary. The ranch supported so many AUs (animal units) of cattle. She assumed that she could turn out as many horses as cattle. Anyhow the BLM put the kybosh on that. She had planned on turning out about 1000 head of horses and turn it into a drive through zoo. BLM said she could only turn out a handful of what she had wanted and she got her panties wadded.
If she was truly educated on the subject she would understand Animal Units, how they were measured and why. Pretty basic when it comes to land and animal management.

My point is, folks need to do the research and understand what they are defending before they jump on the band wagon whether it be wild ponies or horse slaughter. I put PETA and Madeleine Pickins in the same category.
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    12-14-2012, 12:01 AM
  #105
Weanling
I know there are a lot of people who are against horse slaughter, me being one of them until recently. But I have seen the price on horses go down to nothing and the price of feed go up to ridiculous prices. I support horse slaughter, as long as it is done humanely. I mean, which death would you prefer? Slow and painful starvation from not being fed because your owners can't afford it, or a quick painless death from the hand of electrical shock or a bullet through the head? Again, the death must be humane and quick, but as long as that is followed, I think horse slaughter is something the horse community needs. In my opinion. :)
     
    12-14-2012, 12:17 AM
  #106
Weanling
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Originally Posted by enzoleya    
It's illegal to release non-native animals into the wild. Livestock is not a native species.

It's a great idea in theory, and yes some people are doing it, but it's dangerous to the horse and people. Imagine hitting a horse while your driving down the highway in an area that should not have wild horses. Releasing non-native animals into the wild seems to be something that is enforced, not feeding livestock doesn't hold much ground unless you have a rescue group on your side.

I wish I still had the pictures I took at our local sale barn. It was disgusting. People were bringing in horses that should have been put down months ago, but there they were, laying in the kill pens waiting for a long time coming death. I got in trouble for taking pictures, but I would love to do it again some day to show why we have slaughter houses. For example, there was a horse that was litterally drug by the leg into the kill pen because at least one leg was broke. He had raw flesh from laying in feces for far too long. There was another horse whose face looked like it was peeled off and hanging from his chin, it was dry other than the puss dripping off. Many other horses laying around with what I would call feces burns because they couldn't stand up, or horses with flesh hanging from their shoulders/chests/etc. Old bandages on their legs that had grown into their flesh. It's disgusting. These horses do not go through the regular kill pen auction, they stay in the back and are bought directly from those pens. You have to go through gates, crawl over fences, and sometimes through other loose pen horses just to get to the really bad ones. They know better than to put those horses where people can see. We have stayed after dark -when they load up these horses- just to see how bad it is.

I'll try to get pictures of horses like this again and show you why I think slaughter houses are helpful. Unless we change the laws and actually send people to jail for not caring for their horses, then there HAS to be horse slaughter. It's only fair to the horses.
I AGREE COMPLETELY!!! People also don't understand that a wild horse and a domesticated horse are two different things. A wild horse knows how to survive in the wild, how to find food and water and where to go when the snow begins to blow in. Domesticated horses only know how to drink from a water trough, eat hay that is thrown to them, and go inside a man-made shed to stay dry and warm. If someone let a horse into the wild that had never seen the wild before, it would die fairly quickly.

There were people here in Kentucky letting horses go in the state parks. Seemed like a good idea - plenty of grass, plenty of water, and plenty of trees for shelter.. But instead, people found that the horses they let loose were starving to death, or found dead from dehydration.....

On a side note, I am glad this forum is pro slaughter more-so than against it. :)
     
    12-14-2012, 10:01 AM
  #107
Foal
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Originally Posted by RiverBelle    
. I support horse slaughter, as long as it is done humanely. I mean, which death would you prefer? Slow and painful starvation from not being fed because your owners can't afford it, or a quick painless death from the hand of electrical shock or a bullet through the head?:)
I really appreciate that you see that it needs to be done humanely!!! But, going to slaughter is neither quick or painless. It's completely inhumane and terrifying.
Have you seen how they prep the horses? Omg. It's downright cruel.
     

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