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        08-11-2007, 01:45 PM
      #11
    Foal
    Why even say this? God knows I'm not one of the people that import horses, I don't have the money - however, I do appreciate a very well bred horse without being a "dressage Queen". The horses are generally imported for breeding because a). The European warmbloods originate from Europe & are not found in the states and b). Are used to establish a certain number of wb in the states with high standards. There are limited amounts of European Warmbloods in the states - imports are used to prevent line breeding and to use different breeding "stock" to better the breed. The states do not have a true warmblood to work with. Why criticize this of all things, really? These breeders are using very high quality horses and are generally, improving the breed (which is the object of breeding). They are not back yard breeders or those breeding less then par horses to over populate and create horses that are conformationally defective. The registries for these wb also have high standards to endorse good and selective breeding. I would much rather see someone import a high quality and well selected horse to breed then an average Joe that will create offspring that is limited and only adds on to the population.[/quote]

    FINALLY...thank you for this excellent answer! I have asked many dressage people and they kept said, "They are warmblood and we needs them for dressage. They are very value breed and they were the war horses and that is what dressage is for, etc and we do not have these kind of horses here in the United States, etc" So, I decided to put the dressage subject at this forum with slaughter and about the import and export too...you gave me a perfect answer, thank you so much for give me an excellent answer why dressage people want to import the horses. Sorry for the confusion at there...but I have to take the this act as I think I am right and you are wrong. Sorry for what I did but thank you for this excellent answer. I am doing the research and educate myself better so...
         
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        08-12-2007, 12:29 AM
      #12
    Yearling
    TxHorseMom: Sorry I took so long in responding! I got the information from my mom and I don't know where she got it from. I'm trying too find proof of it right now.
         
        08-14-2007, 04:06 PM
      #13
    Weanling
    Thanks! That would be great!
         
        08-17-2007, 12:00 AM
      #14
    Banned
    No--when they cut the spine they do not lose feeling. They are paralyzed and unable to breathe, but they can still experience pain/fear/shock.

    Horsemeat, sorry to say, is not feeding starving children in Africa. It is actually quite a delicacy and incurs a high price tag in Europe and Asia. So there goes the noble cause thing.

    Slaughter regulations are lax in Canada, and non-existent in Mexico.

    Yes, it's a neccessary evil, in the US, at least until idiotic, indiscriminate breeding continues.

    Slaughter has been banned in TX, and the Supreme Court is ruling whether or not to ban it nationally, but it's definitely heading that way. The last I heard, the last remaining slaughterhouse in US (Iowa, that is) was operating under a court-ordered extension, even though it had been officially shut down. It may be closed for good by now.
         
        09-10-2007, 08:31 PM
      #15
    Weanling
    Its horrible- slaughting horses. But lets face it what else could you do with a horse that somtimes can be naughty or unwanted. People take on horses with out knowing that they require alot of work and dedication. In Australia, many horses that say buck? Don't go to slaughter yards, they are brought by the Rodeo circut. Whats your opinion on this? They get fed, looked after pretty good!!
         
        09-13-2007, 08:48 PM
      #16
    Foal
    It's funny how no one thinks slaughter dogs and cats is ok. Well, I'm sure there is someone that would say it is ok, but the vast majority believe it is wrong to slaughter dogs, cats, and other pets.

    They should of shut down the border before they shut down the national plants, but sometimes things get done backwards when you're dealing with government.

    All the "unwanted" horses. Probably won't be a big deal once breeders figure out that breeding "worthless" horses no longer pays for itself. It's not like there are stallions running around (think male dogs) impregnating all the mares within a 4 mile radius.
         
        09-15-2007, 10:30 PM
      #17
    Weanling
    What do you mean we don't think slaughtering dogs and cats are o.k. It is done all the time. Once again, it is a necessary evil. If it wasn't done, we would be overrun with them. Do I think spaying an neutering is a better option? Absolutely!!! But you're never going to get everyone to do it, so we still have the problem of pet overpopulation. Am I expected to save all the dogs and cats too? I guess the 6 dogs and 4 cats I have that are rescued aren't enough.

    Personally, I would like to see more humane treatment laws regarding transportation to and the actual slaughtering of animals. ALL animals. Cows, chickens, pigs, horses, etc.
         
        09-16-2007, 02:43 PM
      #18
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TxHorseMom
    What do you mean we don't think slaughtering dogs and cats are o.k. It is done all the time. Once again, it is a necessary evil. If it wasn't done, we would be overrun with them. Do I think spaying an neutering is a better option? Absolutely!!! But you're never going to get everyone to do it, so we still have the problem of pet overpopulation. Am I expected to save all the dogs and cats too? I guess the 6 dogs and 4 cats I have that are rescued aren't enough.

    Personally, I would like to see more humane treatment laws regarding transportation to and the actual slaughtering of animals. ALL animals. Cows, chickens, pigs, horses, etc.
    i agree with you 100%
         
        09-23-2007, 07:47 PM
      #19
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sweetypie16
    Its horrible- slaughting horses. But lets face it what else could you do with a horse that somtimes can be naughty or unwanted. People take on horses with out knowing that they require alot of work and dedication. In Australia, many horses that say buck? Don't go to slaughter yards, they are brought by the Rodeo circut. Whats your opinion on this? They get fed, looked after pretty good!!
    yeh i'd rather rodeo than horse slaughter!!! Although I don't now much about it, do we even have it here in Australia? Cause i've never heard of it!
         
        09-24-2007, 12:54 AM
      #20
    Started
    In Australia, it's in fact, illegal to eat horse meat and illegal to have a slaughter house in the country. Some slaughter houses I know, kill horses by slitting their throat open and skin them. (I however, do not know if it's true. I have just heard this!). I would much rather if the horses somehow had to be killed, I would prefer them to be shot in the head. That way, they wouldn't feel any pain or emotion, it would cause no misery and they would be dead straight away. Wouldn't you rather be killed quickly then slaughtered slowly?

    As for all the people saying that, "Slaughter houses are alright because we are getting overruled by pets..." You may not have said that exact phrase but, my idea is, if you can't look after an animal, why get it in the first place? I mean, yeah sure, they might be fun but if you cannot afford a pet, then don't buy one! Anyway, when a male, (dog) is not desexed, (In Australia anyway,) they have a more higher risk in getting cancer around that area. The same might go for the females but I don't know.

    If they are 'unwanted' horses then they should try and send them to their local, RSPCA, where they will get fed and watered and put up for adoption. Or they should sell it for free or try and just find some sort of home for them.

    If people breed animals, (or horses as someone said before) for slaughtering, I think they should be more then ashamed of themselves! Those people breed horses for slaughtering, is like just saying, "Those horses were born to die so I can make money."
    Now, to me, I think it is weak, shameful, selfish, just plain cruel and words I can't even describe! Yes, some horses do get abused, but normally they are rescued by the local RSPCA. If horses do get abused and are not rescued then I rather them being shot in the head then be sent to a slaughter house.

    When horses get slaughtered, they get sent to Europe so they can eat the horse meat.

    When someone said, when a horse dies, we have to burry their bodies underground and if we keep doing that there will be no more room. Well, horses do rot into the ground an do not stay like they are alive for ever!

    I am totally against slaughtering and I hope, one day, all the slaughter houses in the world could be shut down and the horses could be sent to an shelter or loving home. You might be thinking that shelters 'put the animals down' when they haven't found a home for them. But do they kill the animals slowly? No, they do it quick so the animals feel no pain.


    Of anything I said just then, does anyone agree?
         

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