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        09-24-2007, 12:55 AM
      #21
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    And just so everybody knows, I do have proof on how they die because I have pictures. If you still do not believe me I can show them, but you have to say.


    Thanks.
         
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        09-24-2007, 01:11 PM
      #22
    Weanling
    No I do NOT agree at all. The rescues are getting very full. There is only so much space and $$ for all of these unwanted horses. Where are they supposed to go? I certainly don't want my tax dollars spent on just keeping these horses alive. There are documented cases of horses being just let out of their pastures to roam the streets. (and I do mean streets. We got one that the Highway patrol picked up and couldn't find the owner. We got him at the AUCTION because there was no more room at the spca. There are horses starving because people don't have the money to take care of them and have no where to take them.
    The rescues have to be "pickier" about what horses they take because they have to find them new homes if they can rescue any more. Did you know that there were 80,000 to 100,000 horses slaughtered in the USA every year? How many shelters and "loving homes" can afford "pasture pets"? And that is every year!!! In 5 years there will be aprox one half MILLION excess horses.

    I do agree with you on one point though, I feel that if people can't afford pets then they shouldn't have them. BUT, how are we supposed to get around that? You can't change stupid.

    I do agree that there needs to be better slaughter laws regarding the transport and the actual slaughtering of horses (and all animals actually) That is what I wish would happen.

    And as for breeding horses for slaughter. What is the difference between horses and cows, or sheep or goats or pigs? They are bred for slaughter. Should they be ashamed of themselves too? Because horses are "pretty" they shouldn't be slaughtered?

    Now, before you think I am this heartless person, let me tell you that I would NEVER personally send my horses to slaughter. When the time comes for them to go, they will be put down gently and buried on our land. BUT, just because I am able to do that doesn't mean that others have that option. I am trying to be realistic. And in the real world, sad things need to happen.

    I have personally rescued over 20 horses in the past few years. Some I have kept personally, others I have had them vetted, fed, (re)trained and found new homes for. (I would break even, or a small loss) With the market the way it is, I am not able to do that anymore. I can't afford to spend hundreds of $$ on food and veterinary care, spend hours and hours on training then rehome for $500 or less! Most of these horses are unpapered (or you can't get the papers) and that's all they are going for because the market is so glutted. And theres others out there feeling the same pinch and unable to rescue as many, or even any horses anymore. The "rescue" places just can't do it anymore. Now where are these horses supposed to go?

    Do I wish slaughterhouses were unnecessary? You bet I do. I am not FOR slaughter. If anyone can find a better way (that is realistic) please let your government know so a solution can be found!!
         
        09-24-2007, 09:14 PM
      #23
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    Ok, thanks. But, I still would rather the horse's owner to shoot them in the head then be sent to the slaughter house. And yes, I know pigs, cows, goats and many other animals then horses I bred for slaughtering, but the owners who do breed all of those animals, (including horses, goats, cows, pigs, etc.) should be ashamed of themselves. I am not saying just horses shouldn't be bred to be slaughtered, I'm saying the whole animals. And I still stand by my point that if you cannot send them to loving homes, shelters or anywhere nice, then they should put them down with ease, so the animals feel no pain. Yes, it is reality, and we might not ever be able to stop it, but we can try and make things change. If the shelters only have so much $$ then people with EXTRA cash could donate. I also still stand by my point that if you cannot afford an animal or animals don't buy them!!!!
         
        09-30-2007, 05:15 PM
      #24
    Foal
    Re: all the slaughters are closed

    Ok I live in Kentucky (Howdy nighbor!!!) and every body in town is sayin` that the horse markets down because they closed down the houses an` because of the hay shortage also I wouldent be worried `cause people can't afford to ship horses to Candada an` Mexico so less horses are bein` killed an` also most people are buying large amounts a` horses so they can train and sell them for a higher price SO don't WORRY
         
        10-01-2007, 03:58 AM
      #25
    Weanling
    If you think that there is nothing to worry about, you are just burying your head in the sand. Now that horse slaughter is banned in the USA they are being shipped to Canada and Mexico. YES it IS happening. There was a front page article in the Houston Chronicle yesterday if anyone cares to find out what is happening. **WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENTS****

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5175642.html

    I wish the time and money had been spent to better the laws in the USA instead of making a much worse fate.

    I don't know how those people can sleep at night. (I mean those who were for the ban.)
         
        10-01-2007, 04:50 AM
      #26
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    Moon where did you get your facts???? That no one can aford to ship them so why worry? Go to youtube and type in horse abuse...( might be too graphic for some YOUNG eyes)pick any one that you see, over 90% of any of those clips you will see a slaughter house in the back round.
    I agree with txhorsemom 100% times 10
         
        10-02-2007, 09:28 PM
      #27
    Banned
    And to add to everything TxHorseMom said, which I totally agree with, what do you think we're supposed to do with the bodies after they've been "humanely euthanized?" Of course the bodies don't just stay there, they rot. Rotting flesh pollutes the groudwater bad enough as it is, which of course comes right back and infects animals and people with potentially life-threatening diseases. It's even worse if they have been killed with a "humane" life-ending chemical. This also leaks into the groundwater, and if it killed the horse, guess what? It's not exactly beneficial to those drinking the water. If horses have been chemically euthanized, the bodies can't be rendered for meat, even for animal consumption. So you've got 1000 lbs of dead flesh--you can't render it, you can't haul it to the landfill, it's nearly impossible to burn, and it's illegal to bury for the reasons stated above. That's just something to think about.

    And, for the record, in the US, horses are killed by a captive bolt gun to the skull, which for all intents and purposes is like being shot in the head. Instantly fatal in 95+% of cases. In Mexico, on the other hand, the spinal cord is severed with a knife, leaving the horse paralyzed and unable to breathe but still able to feel pain as it is hoisted up in the air by chains on its hind legs. Its throat is then cut and it is left to bleed out. And that's where American horses are now going--on a much longer, hotter, cramped ride to a slaughterhouse with no regulations and a disgusting method of killing. Shipment to Mexico for slaughter has increased something like 400 or 600% since US slaughter has been shut down. Good job, animal rights activists!
         
        10-07-2007, 10:56 AM
      #28
    Foal
    I havent the time to read over every post here, but I would like to put my two-cents in. The realtity of the matter is, as horse people, the thought of no horse slaughter is a dream, except it is necassary. Now that the US plants are closed, the horses have a much worse fate when shipped to Mexico. Mexico is alot less humane in the slaughter of their horses, then the US is. Honestly I think we dug the horses a deeper and wider hole to get out of when closing the US plants.

    I live in Canada and as far as I know of we have 2 slaughter houses, one in Alberta and one in Quebec. Im in the harness racing industry and I've seen many horses be "shipped out" And personally id rather them end up in Canada or the US rather then Mexico.

    The only way to completely abolish slaughter is for people be become more horse savvy. Don't breed just because you think foals are cute think of the consequences. If breeders became more responsible, and trainers/owners etc werent dead set on getting their $60,000 dressage prospect and were willing to settle for a $100 PMU foal for example, it would help. But honestly it doesnt look like this will happen for a long long time, and until then we better hope the US re-opens atleast one of their houses. Personally I think the horses meet a worse fate going to Mexico and the fact is slaughter will always be a necassay means on population control. And the way I see it, if we have to do it, better make it first class if you know what I mean,
         
        01-05-2008, 02:19 PM
      #29
    Foal
    Horses were being sent to slaughter in canada and mexico before the houses were shut down in america anyways, so I look at it as this helping save more horses.
         
        01-05-2008, 05:02 PM
      #30
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by xkatex
    I havent the time to read over every post here, but I would like to put my two-cents in. The realtity of the matter is, as horse people, the thought of no horse slaughter is a dream, except it is necassary. Now that the US plants are closed, the horses have a much worse fate when shipped to Mexico. Mexico is alot less humane in the slaughter of their horses, then the US is. Honestly I think we dug the horses a deeper and wider hole to get out of when closing the US plants.

    I live in Canada and as far as I know of we have 2 slaughter houses, one in Alberta and one in Quebec. Im in the harness racing industry and I've seen many horses be "shipped out" And personally id rather them end up in Canada or the US rather then Mexico.

    The only way to completely abolish slaughter is for people be become more horse savvy. Don't breed just because you think foals are cute think of the consequences. If breeders became more responsible, and trainers/owners etc werent dead set on getting their $60,000 dressage prospect and were willing to settle for a $100 PMU foal for example, it would help. But honestly it doesnt look like this will happen for a long long time, and until then we better hope the US re-opens atleast one of their houses. Personally I think the horses meet a worse fate going to Mexico and the fact is slaughter will always be a necassay means on population control. And the way I see it, if we have to do it, better make it first class if you know what I mean,
    Agreed. Well put.

    Why do we have slaughter in the first place? What's the root of the problem and why don't we stop the root of the problem? Why do people insisting on breeding "non breeding quality" horses? [Not putting them down. I love my mare to DEATH, but I KNOW she's not breeding quality.] Even perfectly healthy, useful, good-quality horses are being slaughtered, which is just sad. Any horse being slaughtered is just sad.

    If we didn't have an over-population of horses, we might not need slaughter. As wonderful as the horse industry is, there is an ugly side.



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    horses were being sent to slaughter in canada and mexico before the houses were shut down in america anyways, so I look at it as this helping save more horses.
    And now horses that would've been shipped to a US slaughter house might be going to Mexico and being more in-humanely treated and killed in a more grusome way. Guess it's one of those "danged-if-you-do-danged-if-you-don't" situations, in a way.
         

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