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    11-05-2008, 12:27 AM
Conflicted, advice please!

Ok i'll give a bit of background first. I'm from Australia, and my dad manages three side by side properties for two brothers, who are big property moguls, millionares, and extremely business minded. It is extremely difficult for dad to get them to pay for things necessary to the running of the properties, I.e. New fencing, repais to machinery. He is the only person employed to run these three properties, a few thousand acres, and over a thousand head of sheep and cattle. He was until recently earning less than I do, (I am 18 and a year out of school) and absolutely busting his gut to run these properties. We live in the city and this is dad's dream job, despite the crappy pay, he is left alone to run the properties as he wishes. His bosses don't mind if he turns a profit or not, as one day they will sundivide and sell for millions.

And yes, this is all relevant!

We do get some perks for the extra work dad puts in, we are allowed to agist my horses (two at the moment) there for free, and use a shed in the paddock as our tack shed, set up equipment to train, etc. If not for this, We would find it very difficult to afford to have horses.

Now one of dad's bosses, (i'm not going to say names) breeds and runs racehorses, in a very small-time way, producing maybe two or three horses a year.
On the property where my horses live, there is a group of about seven thoroughbreds, all ex-racehorses or spelling racehorses. Two or three of them are owned my dad's boss, the others by people he knows who have approached him to keep them there. Here comes the problem... these horses are totally neglected. They range in age from about four to late teens. Some of them have been there since dad started the job, about seven years, and in that time dad's boss nor any other have checked on them, provided them with the services of a farrier/dentist, wormed them, let alone groom or ride them. They have the run of two decent sized paddocks, so there is decent pasture most of the year except winter. Now we do what we can for them, we feed them hay in winter when the pasture is down (dad's bosses hay, without telling him), if it is seriously suffering dad will let them into a different paddock to let their paddock recuperate. I should mention that due to the absolute lack of handling, there are two of the horses that cannot be caught, however the others are all still friendly. We convinced dadís boss (with a couple of months of persuading) to get their feet done once, and all got a well needed trim (with a lot of patience from the farrier!), we attempted to worm them but the attempt was useless as we could not worm the two who could not be caught. The same happened with an attempt to de-lice them. The oldest of the horses, in his late teens, injured his leg and we called the vet (without dad's boss' knowledge, ad who afterward was not happy about having to pay her, even though she only charged for the materials), who had to sedate him to treat him (he was one of the wilder ones), and recently another one injured its leg and we brought it in and treated it ourselves until it healed. My issue is the fact that the oldest, a brown gelding, is in really bad shape. He isnít maintaining weight anymore, despite the fact that at present there is enough pasture, has become listless and does not follow the herd, staying isolated in one corner of the paddock. The other horses are in decent, if not good condition, and we continue to feed them and keep on eye on them, but the oldest, who goes by the nickname of googie, is quite bad. Dad wasnít sure if he would survive last winter, but he did, and now will be the struggle to keep him going through the drought of this summer. Dad doesnít have time in his already busy job to do more than throw hay to them once a day, and I work full time and have two horses to work and care for, so I am in much the same boat. He is one of the two wildest, and will not be caught without causing him immense stress.

So this is my problemÖ I have wanted to report these horses since dad began his job, but knowing it would jeopardise his job I have not. We do our best to look out for them and the rest of them are in decent condition, and fairly tame excepting one, but seeing googie deteriorating is really hard. Dad sympathises with him, but being a farmer all his life is hardened to the death of animals he is unable to help and canít say anything because of his job., and Iím sure that his boss is happy to let him stay there until he dies. The problem is that we are the only people who see these horses, they are not visible from the road, and the property does not have many visitors, so dadís boss would undoubtedly know that a complaint came from us. Iím concerned that dad would lose his job, and we would lose our place to keep our horses.

So does anyone have any ideas? Any simple/not too time consuming ways to help googie maintain weight or treat him, taking into account the difficulty of handling him? If it were possible to report this anonymously, then I would not hesitate, but I canít jeopardise my dadís job, as difficult as this is. Any help would be appreciated!
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    11-06-2008, 01:58 AM
The thing that immediatly springs to my mind is illness. Since horses are herd animals im very concerned about the anti-social behavior. To me it sounds like this horse is really suffering. I hope everyone doesnt think im mean for what im about to say or that I don't get permantly banned from the horse community...but I think the horse is in serious need of a vet...and if that's not possible then it should be put out of its misery. I know it sounds horrible, but in my opinion there are some fates worse than death.
    11-06-2008, 02:53 AM
I agree sandy and you are not cruel for saying that. Wild, have you spoken with the authorities about reporting incidents of animal neglect and being left anonymous? I don't really know how things work there. If all else fails, I think I would go to a payphone and call the authorities. You don't have to give them your name, just say you are a concerned citizen. Not to make it sound illegal or anything, but sometimes you have to sneak around a little bit to get things done without having too many bad reprocussions. Good luck and I am thinking about you and the horses. (hugs)
    11-07-2008, 01:15 AM
I understand what both of you are saying... Sandy I do not think you are cruel at all. The problem there is that there is no way dad's boss would pay to euth him, and i'm certain would not pay for a vet. It's so frustrating, I just want to tell him how much of an insensitive prig he is, but because of dad I can't. I'm sure dad could shoot it, and he would if it had injured itself etc. but it's not really a humane way to do it... And dad's boss would probably go mental, we would have to say it just died.

Smrobs, the problem with that si that we are the only people who see these horses... So even if we made an anonomous complaint ( which I have thought about MANY times) dad's boss would know that it was one of us.
    11-09-2008, 08:52 AM
Wow, that sucks. I'm sorry. I wish there was something I could do to help but I can't think of any other way to help. My thoughts and heart are with you and I hope you find some way to help.
    11-09-2008, 04:58 PM
Thanks smrobs, and its ok. I'm stuck myself.

Ah and it's so frustrating... Two broodmares just arrived yesterday, and the carrier put them into a paddock full of sheets of corrugated iron and wire and wood... We had to catch them straight away and move them. And I just know that they won't be getting fed, any broodmare supplements, and he won't check on them/worm them, or anything. He makes me so mad!
    11-10-2008, 11:05 AM
You and your dad are in a really tough spot... I don't get why the boss is against everything if he already has tons of money, is there any reasoning with him? Maybe he will put up the money to help the old horse out.
    11-10-2008, 04:45 PM
It's how he got rich and stays rich, by stiffing everybody. Dad has trouble getting him to pay bills etc. on time.

I'm so mad right now... He has decided he is bringing a COLT and a filly here as well, so he doesn't have to pay to keep them somewhere else, and he has decided he wants to keep them in the paddock we have had our horses in for six years. We've spent so much time digging out the weeds, strip grazing it, pulling out all the bits of twine and metal that were there, and now we lose it. Our shed were we keep our tack is in there, so that will go two, as we can't takw our geldings into the paddock with a colt to saddle them up. Ah! Now we have to find and fence a new little paddock, (as they all need to be locked up occasionally) and a new shed!
    11-23-2008, 04:17 AM
That is why he has so much money-i think in the old days they would call him a TIGHT WAD and a mean one at that
    11-23-2008, 09:48 AM
You are witnesing first hand what I have been griping about all along. I am sorry for the situations you are in, that is a hard one. Must be very frustrating to have your hands tied so.

Can't realy offer any suggestions, but thank you for caring, and I think there will come a way for you to help, you must be patient. Just a feeling.

Best of luck, and blessings and prayers for you and those poor babies.

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