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        12-01-2008, 11:59 AM
      #11
    Showing
    First off let me say bless your heart for caring about the cast offs.
    Can you talk to the vet who has treated them in the past about contacting the authorities? I think if you could get her to take some sort of action it would not seem in any way obvious that a complaint came from you. I fear your dads job would be in jeopardy if there was even a hint that you had filed a complaint.
         
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        12-01-2008, 01:13 PM
      #12
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        12-01-2008, 10:22 PM
      #13
    Trained
    Well we went and had a look at them the other day... The other in that herd (about 6 of them) are actually looking really good at the moment, decent amount of weight on, feet not too bad, obviously can't tell about teeth/worms etc but they look a lot less lousy than they did. The only one who still looks bad is googie.

    There are now an additional 7 broodmares, a filly and a colt there, and he is expecting dad to go pick up another three mares for him soon. He also expects dad to feed them when the pasture gets eaten out, in addition to running the three properties. I have no idea what he expects to happen when the mares are ready to foal... The paddocks are nowhere near suitable for foals, and dad simply does not have the time to watch/take care of mares in foal or newborn foals. This makes about twenty horses there... The person he doesn't want to pay to keep them is his neice! She is devastated because she was counting on the money coming in to finish her extensions to her house... I really don't know how one person can be so callous to the detriment of so many others.

    I like the idea of talking to the vet... it was a long time ago when she treated him though. Next time she ocmes out to preg test the cows, I will ask dad if he can get her to look at the old horse and see if there is anything simple we can do for him, if not on ways of reporting it. She has always been very friendly with us. We will see how it goes...
         
        12-01-2008, 10:40 PM
      #14
    Trained
    Wow! That really is a bad situation..:( I wish I had more advice for you...You said at one point something about a carrier? If there are other people in and out of there even occasionally could you tell a little white lie about 'it must have been someone who was in here doing something other than us'?
    Gosh, other than that I just don't know. I think the vet thing is a great idea if it will be relatively soon.
    Good Luck!
         
        12-01-2008, 11:18 PM
      #15
    Foal
    That is just crazy! It's amazing how inconsiderate people can be when it comes to animals. If they don't want to put the money or time into taking care of them, then why get them!? Why get more than they already have even?? It's very aggravating when people do things like that.
    I guess I don't really have any suggestions for you...I wish I did. Is there any way that they would hire another person to help your dad? Like...Maybe a person JUST to take care of the horses and that's it. That way, they could get to know the horses a bit more because they would have time to do it, and maybe get close enough to Googie to see what's wrong and what needs to be done.
    My prayers are with you and those poor horses...
         
        12-02-2008, 12:18 AM
      #16
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    That person sounds he is using that spread as a tax write off. It was so bad here in the states, horse lost the tax deduction for fed and vet care etc, around the mid 80's I want to say 86 for some reason. The only expect with in a commerical breeder, a farm, or ther business, but hobbiest lost the tax write off.

    He doesn't want to hire his neice (unless she has for some reason should not be around livestock) or anyone else and the work force is pushed to the limits with more increase in work coming. This sounds like the type of man I would want to hire, if I wanted to watch that business fail.

    I would try to report him second handed if possible, a vet or other exbert would be the best way to do that. And if the person put heat on your dad, he can say with a straight face, "I had nothing to do with it."
         
        12-02-2008, 01:24 AM
      #17
    Trained
    His neice is an awesome horse person, she rides Grand Prix level dressage, and has raised most of the horses he now owns from foals. He is just being a tight wad, not wanting to have to pay her. When they were with her they were in post and rail fencing, fed every day and actually had ground work done, now nothing. Bah!
         
        12-03-2008, 05:39 AM
      #18
    Trained
    Ok, I finally went out tonight and took some photos of the herd. Here's a photo of Googie:
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        12-03-2008, 10:28 AM
      #19
    Showing
    Oh dear he needs to be vet checked and wormed. How old is he do you know?
         
        12-03-2008, 10:35 AM
      #20
    Weanling
    He doesn't look too good at all, poor guy.

    Even if he is old, there is no excuse as to why his weight is like this. Yes it's hard keeping weight on old horses, but it can be done.

    Do you have any friends that will come out with you to have a look, and have them report it?

    It was the same with me. My next door neighbour's daughter had a mare called Tess that was emaciated, and my dad and her dad are best friends and he does alot for us (Let's us rent his land) And I really wanted to report her the the RSPCA, but I couldn't because that would cause hell between my dad and her's. Meaning we wouldn't be able to use his land anymore. So I got a friend to come have a look, and she reported them.

    They didn't suspect it was us, and the call was anonymous anyway.

    You are a very good caring person, being concerned for these horses and doing all you can to feed them hay and everything. And I know you are in a very hard situation, but there has to be some way you can do this. Couldn't the vet report it?

    Some horses don't do well on on just pasture and hay, they need nutritional hard feed and supplements. And to be regulary wormed.

    This could be what the problem is, but if that's not the case, he could be very ill.

    Stomach Ulcers and everything can cause repid weight loss.

    Here's a condition scoring chart.

    http://www.dpi.vic.gov.au/DPI/nreninf.nsf/v/8D75C4F22ABDE666CA25741D000361DF/$file/Condition_Scoring_and_Weight_Estimation_of_Horses. Pdf
         

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