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post #1 of 17 Old 10-16-2010, 12:38 PM Thread Starter
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Exclamation Dancing Horse Cruelty or Not!?

Hello to everyone, i'm quite new to the forum as you might see so...


Here's a video that explains how many dancing horses are trained to "dance" or do a bad piaffe.
I've worked on it for quite a bit, taking videos, and investigating with trainers, going to competitions and so on.
This type of riding style or discipline is fairly new, it's been based on a drug cartel culture, meaning that it started back with drug dealers. It hardly is more than 3 decades old, its not a form of tradition and it has been rapidly growing and spreading all over the country. Thereís even a dancing horse association.
The riders are by no means Charros, even if in competitions they use the traditional Charro suit and saddle, itís a common mistake made by many.
The sole purpose of this video is to educate, and not to bash a culture. You can find these methods being employed by trainers in other countries too. It's to create awareness and teach people that there's better ways to train their horses to do such tricks.
The use of pillars is correct, only when used by a professional, if used wrong, they can be rather cruel.
It was translated from Spanish to English, so there might be some spelling errors, or words used incorrectly. I tried my best.
Many of the people who send their horses to be trained to dance are not aware of what trainers do to their horses. There are many many people who are against these cruel methods, but so far i have not met anyone who has ever stood up for the horses.
More videos coming up explaining the methods used in more detail, also including the proís and conís. I could make videos and videos showing all the things trainers do to their horses, and explaining why they are wrong, how harmful they can be and the correct way of doing so, but everything one step at a time for now.


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Bad training is bad training, in any discipline. But the piaffe, when trained correctly, is completely natural for the horse.
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yes, the piaffe is a movement that horses perform out on liberty. Sadly here in mexico many horse trainers do not understand what a piaffe really is.
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Yeah, I've heard Mexicans have...."different" ways of training a lot of times. Certainly not all, but a lot of them.
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I think it's ugly and it doesnt even make me think of Piaffe when I see it. However there was a thread about dancing horses here awhile ago and some of them looked far more relaxed. I believe they were from the middle east? Not sure. Either way I'm not a fan.
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I think it's ugly and it doesnt even make me think of Piaffe when I see it. However there was a thread about dancing horses here awhile ago and some of them looked far more relaxed. I believe they were from the middle east? Not sure. Either way I'm not a fan.
Yeah they were probably Marwari horses from either India or Pakistan. And some of it is less ugly than this.

I have never seen videos of the Marwari horses being trained to dance before even a year old (I'll post it if I find the link, but there is some Mexican horse dancing video with a 7-8 month old foal, with a 5-6 year old kid on it, being ground driven and doing the 'dancing' thing).
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Okay. I took too long in editing my last post it wouldn't go through. But I found the videos.

Assuming the October date in the video is his birthdate, and going by the date it was uploaded. This poor baby can't be anymore than 9 months old when this was filmed.

(Same poor baby, different kid on him).
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Yeah they were probably Marwari horses from either India or Pakistan. And some of it is less ugly than this.

I have never seen videos of the Marwari horses being trained to dance before even a year old (I'll post it if I find the link, but there is some Mexican horse dancing video with a 7-8 month old foal, with a 5-6 year old kid on it, being ground driven and doing the 'dancing' thing).


Pakistan dancing horses are trained in very very cruel ways aswell. This is a video of a dancing horse competition. Note: guys that are following the horses from behind with some sort of long ropes, just preparing to hit the horses in case they ever stop dancing.

Note the hollow backs, the undeveloped neck and back mucles, the awkward leg movements, the horses body language, the guy always tugging at thier mouths.

They have definetly gone through some sort of beathing to get to move in such an exagerated and unatural way.


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These videos make me cringe.. especially the poor baby! He's way too young to be ridden.. and on top of that being beaten to 'dance'... I wonder what goes through these peoples' heads?! The stress on their joints is painful just watching... and seeing them being beaten and scared to death... makes me want to do something about it.

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The worst part is... they are really nice looking horses with lots of potential.. going to waste.
And it looks like they're all well taken care of. Interesting..

There is something about riding down the street on a prancing horse that makes you feel like something, even when you ain't a thing. ~ Will Rogers

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Pakistan dancing horses are trained in very very cruel ways aswell. This is a video of a dancing horse competition. Note: guys that are following the horses from behind with some sort of long ropes, just preparing to hit the horses in case they ever stop dancing.

Note the hollow backs, the undeveloped neck and back mucles, the awkward leg movements, the horses body language, the guy always tugging at thier mouths.
Yeah I know. I just meant less ugly in that I have never seen a nine month old foal doing it (which is what the rest of my post was about). Otherwise it is on about the same level as the Mexican horse dancing.
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