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post #11 of 35 Old 06-28-2014, 01:37 PM
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DancingArabians, OK you are against slaughter, but you have to realise that at least if you keep it in your country you can control it and therefore make it humane!

Currently the US has no control over the conditions in which horses in mexico or canada are slaughtered. Now i'm willing to bet that in canada its humane, i'm also willing to stake quite a bit of money on the fact that the majority in mexico are NOT humane.

In the UK horse slaughter still happens, however when the UK opened up our borders to easy export of horses, thousands or poor horses did journeys of 5 or 6 days to romania etc in over crowded lorries, with little water and serious injuries. Often 20% of the load would be dead on arrival or have to be shot in the lorry because of broken legs etc. They were slaughtered in horrific circumstances. But the UK has no jurisdiction once the horses have left our borders so could do nothing about it.
The ILPH took a very sensible stand and started the "On the hook not the hoof" campaign, calling for the live export of horses for slaughter to be banned and the slaughter to be brought back within the UK borders where we can control the conditions.
It resulted in horses having to have a minimum value to be exported (well above slaughter price) and an end to live export for slaughter, whilst the abbatiors in this country are not perfect they are far far better than the alternative they have to meet minimum standards, are inspected regularly and are answerable to our government
This is what I was trying to say, I'm for slaughter that is kept "humane".

BTW- Why do people get soooo upset about horses being slaughtered, yet they'll eat a hamburger??? Have they ever seen a feedlot?
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About 10 years ago, an acquaintance, very much involved in the horse industry, was fighting to make changes. Her goal wasn't to eliminate the slaughter of horses. Part of her research was finding out how long drugs remain in horses and much to her horror, it was revealed that some remain up to two years. Horses administered certain drugs have to be held for a period of time but in many cases this isn't long enough. Whoever is eating horsemeat may be ingesting those drugs.
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DancingArabians, OK you are against slaughter, but you have to realise that at least if you keep it in your country you can control it and therefore make it humane!

Currently the US has no control over the conditions in which horses in mexico or canada are slaughtered. Now i'm willing to bet that in canada its humane, i'm also willing to stake quite a bit of money on the fact that the majority in mexico are NOT humane.

In the UK horse slaughter still happens, however when the UK opened up our borders to easy export of horses, thousands or poor horses did journeys of 5 or 6 days to romania etc in over crowded lorries, with little water and serious injuries. Often 20% of the load would be dead on arrival or have to be shot in the lorry because of broken legs etc. They were slaughtered in horrific circumstances. But the UK has no jurisdiction once the horses have left our borders so could do nothing about it.
The ILPH took a very sensible stand and started the "On the hook not the hoof" campaign, calling for the live export of horses for slaughter to be banned and the slaughter to be brought back within the UK borders where we can control the conditions.
It resulted in horses having to have a minimum value to be exported (well above slaughter price) and an end to live export for slaughter, whilst the abbatiors in this country are not perfect they are far far better than the alternative they have to meet minimum standards, are inspected regularly and are answerable to our government
Based on the conditions of cow/chicken/pig slaughterhouses, yes technically we could control the situations and realistically it would still end up with a horrible death for the horses involved. I stand against slaughter unless it's humane and we are SURE that someone's stolen pet isn't up next. We also still need to sort out the drugs issue.
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Yup, I don't like to use chemicals/drugs on animals unless absolutely nescesary.

We try to raise some of our own meat and produce for this same reason.
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Based on the conditions of cow/chicken/pig slaughterhouses, yes technically we could control the situations and realistically it would still end up with a horrible death for the horses involved. I stand against slaughter unless it's humane and we are SURE that someone's stolen pet isn't up next. We also still need to sort out the drugs issue.
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Understand, please, that I would love to see many improvements in all slaughterhouses, and transport for the horses even more. But, have you ever googled horse slaughter in Mexico? Do it, watch the video. I would way rather horses be slaughtered here than there! And all our ban did was add the time the horses spent in the horrible transports before facing that torture.

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Understand, please, that I would love to see many improvements in all slaughterhouses, and transport for the horses even more. But, have you ever googled horse slaughter in Mexico? Do it, watch the video. I would way rather horses be slaughtered here than there! And all our ban did was add the time the horses spent in the horrible transports before facing that torture.
I'm aware of what goes on in Mexican slaughterhouses. Have you seen the video where they saw off the legs off a living horse and her suckling tries to nurse from her corpse? I have. I'm not sure why you think I'm in favor of that - I certainly never said it. US slaughterhouses would theoretically be a little better but still horrific.

I'm against horse slaughter in the US, in Mexico, in Canada, wherever, and will remain so until and unless the problems I've mentioned are corrected.
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DA it's a nice dream but all the ban has succeeded in doing is torturing horses. Instead of campaigning for an end to slaughter you should have campaigned for an improvement in conditions. I personally would far rather a horse was slaughtered in a less than ideal plant than what goes on in Mexico!
Reality is the US cannot control what goes on in Mexico and never will be able to.
Wake up the face reality that thousands and thousands of horses have been tortured in Mexico because of people like you wanting a dream rather than facing reality! Yes maybe thier deaths may not have been postcard perfect but at least they won't have legs hacked off whilst alive or knives through thier spine to paralyse them then gutted alive

We manage humane slaughter in the abattoirs in the uk, yes there are some blips and the system isn't perfect but at least the vast majority of horses have a humane end and it is certainly a far more humane end than they would face if they were exported.

You will never be able to end slaughter, it is a nessecary evil to deal with a severe over population, you can only improve the conditions in which the horses are slaughtered. The anti slaughter campaign has done the exact opposite! And any one who supports it is DIRECTLY responsible for those poor horses in Mexico suffering so horrifically
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Yes, I love to close my eyes and dream of that world, where all horses have a home with love, food and proper vet care. No horses ever suffer from neglect and/or abuse. Should any horse, any animal for that matter, be injured or ill to the point of no return they be humanely euthanized.
Or, at least, second best;
A world where all slaughterhouses were spacious, clean and employed people who love animals and work hard to reduce any stress. Where all animals are treated with kindness, never abused, neglected or abandoned. Where animals are transported in clean, spacious vehicles, with food and water provided, with rest stops, or at least only short distances traveled. Wonderful homes for all animals, no animals ever abandoned. Plenty of homes with people who know what they are doing, have lots of money, who will care for animals as if they. Were their own children.
But, the dream always ends and reality rears it's ugly face...
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Yes, I love to close my eyes and dream of that world, where all horses have a home with love, food and proper vet care. No horses ever suffer from neglect and/or abuse. Should any horse, any animal for that matter, be injured or ill to the point of no return they be humanely euthanized.
Or, at least, second best;
A world where all slaughterhouses were spacious, clean and employed people who love animals and work hard to reduce any stress. Where all animals are treated with kindness, never abused, neglected or abandoned. Where animals are transported in clean, spacious vehicles, with food and water provided, with rest stops, or at least only short distances traveled. Wonderful homes for all animals, no animals ever abandoned. Plenty of homes with people who know what they are doing, have lots of money, who will care for animals as if they were their own children.
But, the dream always ends and reality rears it's ugly face...

Sorry about the double post, guess my head was still in the clouds.

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DA it's a nice dream but all the ban has succeeded in doing is torturing horses. Instead of campaigning for an end to slaughter you should have campaigned for an improvement in conditions. I personally would far rather a horse was slaughtered in a less than ideal plant than what goes on in Mexico!
Reality is the US cannot control what goes on in Mexico and never will be able to.
Wake up the face reality that thousands and thousands of horses have been tortured in Mexico because of people like you wanting a dream rather than facing reality! Yes maybe thier deaths may not have been postcard perfect but at least they won't have legs hacked off whilst alive or knives through thier spine to paralyse them then gutted alive

We manage humane slaughter in the abattoirs in the uk, yes there are some blips and the system isn't perfect but at least the vast majority of horses have a humane end and it is certainly a far more humane end than they would face if they were exported.

You will never be able to end slaughter, it is a nessecary evil to deal with a severe over population, you can only improve the conditions in which the horses are slaughtered. The anti slaughter campaign has done the exact opposite! And any one who supports it is DIRECTLY responsible for those poor horses in Mexico suffering so horrifically
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Except I believe that ALL slaughterhouses = torture. One being in the US doesn't automatically make it better. The lesser of two evils is still evil.

You don't HAVE to slaughter horses to address irresponsible breeding. Humane euthanasia is FAR more humane than any slaughterhouse.

And seriously, if you really believe that every person against slaughter is "DIRECTLY responsible" for the horses carted off, then please let me know how many horses you personally have saved from a tortuous death. Because if you are letting it go on and aren't saving them, you're responsible too.

Or maybe the reality is that the breeders are responsible for the overpopulation.


Edited to add: I think there's a real strong misunderstanding of slaughterhouses if anyone really believes that a slaughterhouse with current standards and regulations is a nice, kind, swift death. Try reading my posts and instead of stopping where I say I'm anti-slaughter, try reading WHY I am.
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